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Post by donnie on Dec 6, 2005 13:12:34 GMT -5
Also to remark on Bills thought of a scope to help one see better. Sometimes, unfortunately the playing field is not level. I will never be able to kick a 50 yard field goal or throw a touch down pass in the superbowl. These are just two of my many many limitations.........I am hindered by a lack of physical ability,( it's ok I've known for sometime) This does not mean that I should be given some artificial means of accomplishing these feats just so I can play ball with Manning or Favre. Life is funny like that.
I will agree with ya on one point fellas it's all about the cash! More rifles and accoutramounts
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Post by jabba on Dec 6, 2005 13:31:57 GMT -5
No-one has mentioned projectiles or rate of twist of the barrel. A traditional gun shoots patched round balls or the much more modern conical bullet. It typically has a very slow rate of twist designed to give good accuracy to the stubby projectile. If ya wanna shoot patched round balls in your modern inline and are willing to forego the scope I have no problem with ya hunting in my muzzleloader season. So... if I had a barrell custom made for my Knight that was 1:64 twist and shot a maxi-ball thru it that would be OK? I used to shoot a 600 grain conical solid, BLACK powder and #11 cap. Would THAT be OK if I took the scope off? I admit that I maximize my advantage to the fullest extent allowable by local law. If I could hunt with a rifle... I probably would. I do have a problem with the prospect of all the money that I have spent to develop a system, within the current law... being outlawed because some people are mad that they have to share the woods with me. Add a season... OK. Do not take mine away, because technology outflanked the law. If we're killing TOO many deer... OK. But in Indiana they keep trying to get us to kill more. Bottom line here guys... is there are less and less hunters in the woods. That's the truth. We have NOT done a good job recruiting the NEXT generation of hunters... period. Jabba |
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Post by donnie on Dec 6, 2005 14:49:30 GMT -5
No offence intended Jabba. LOL. You are certainly right about not recruiting the younger generation to hunt. Or for that matter just recruiting anyone who has never had the opportunities we have as hunters. This is a fairly combustable topic........And as far as having a season to hunt, You are pretty limited by your states regs. No problem there at all but what about the guys who hunt the muzzleloading only season to escape the crowds of nut cases?
I think the point those particular folks including myself are trying to make is that the states that offer a muzzleloading season by itself originally set it up as a primitive hunt to give those of us who want to hunt in this manner a season with which to do it. Key word primitive. I honestly don't mind if you wanna hunt with your inline, You are hunting during the regular shotgun season and under those conditions you yourself may be handicapping yourself to an extent; One round fired in the space of time some yahoo can empty his auto shotgun 3 times....Point still remains, some states set aside a primitive hunt now they may as well allow any single shot rifle with a range of not greater than 250 yards. I also agree add a season! Let the traditionalist have his as well.......
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Post by dovehunter on Dec 6, 2005 15:15:27 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't realize that there were so many strong feeling regarding the use of tradtionals vs. in-lines! I only have one - a traditional caplock. I don't hunt with it, using it just for plinking. However, unless there is a law against it, I personally don't see where it should make any difference what one wants to use.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 6, 2005 20:07:55 GMT -5
I don't have problems with conicals - it's just a huge chunk of lead!!!
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Post by jabba on Dec 7, 2005 7:00:16 GMT -5
Donnie... I don;t have any problem with having a Primitive weapon season" really either. WHat I am saying is it would REALLY suck to save your nickles for 3 or 4 years to buy an inline gun, hunt with it a couple years during the "extra" season, then have them change the law and make your new gun illegal. There are thousands of people in that place. They really could not afford to throw money at guns like we do... and chose an inlne, because all they want is more opportunity to kill deer. They change the law out from under them. I think that would suck too.
I'd be pretty pissed if they said I needed to buy a side hammer gun to hunt my states muzzleloader season. If they wanted to add a cap lock, or flint lock season... I'd be cool with that. But I like being able to kill deer in December with my "almost center fire rifle" when the woods are not full of one weekend a year louts that just don't put the effort into scouting or anything else.
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Post by deputydon on Dec 7, 2005 7:50:56 GMT -5
Donnie... I don;t have any problem with having a Primitive weapon season" really either. WHat I am saying is it would REALLY suck to save your nickles for 3 or 4 years to buy an inline gun, hunt with it a couple years during the "extra" season, then have them change the law and make your new gun illegal. There are thousands of people in that place. They really could not afford to throw money at guns like we do... and chose an inlne, because all they want is more opportunity to kill deer. They change the law out from under them. I think that would suck too. I'd be pretty pissed if they said I needed to buy a side hammer gun to hunt my states muzzleloader season. If they wanted to add a cap lock, or flint lock season... I'd be cool with that. But I like being able to kill deer in December with my "almost center fire rifle" when the woods are not full of one weekend a year louts that just don't put the effort into scouting or anything else. Jabba They you should be able to imagion how the tradtionalish MLer's feel in Nebraska and Colo. where the law was over run by BIG MONEY |
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Post by bounce on Dec 7, 2005 9:47:42 GMT -5
dito: jabba We spent big bucks on are guns & equement allso lobbyed for years to have a special Tdraditanal seasion, finaly got it!! and Cabela's sold a few tons of inlines to dummys, Yes ileagle yes but the state chose not to care because of the BIG $$$$$$$$$$ and just says Sorry boys you loose!! Your state and situation is much diffeant and your thinking makes sence their but not hear and the history of it all. We were just screwed like big $$$$ screws us all all the time in state & national Government!! Nothing new just realy torks us off!!
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Post by jabba on Dec 7, 2005 14:42:52 GMT -5
How was the law written? Did it say... muzzleloader? Or did it say... cap lock or flint lock? No one told you you CAN'T hunt this season right? It's just that a lot of OTHER people are allowed to hunt it now... and you want the season to yourself.
I am sorry... I am SORT of sympathetic... but what happened to you is NOT the same as if they outlawed the inlines out from under guys like me. Not the same at all. What happened is that your exclusionary hunting season got diluted by people that exploited the loopholes in the law. What you want to do is EXCLUDE them again... Make their guns worthless, because you don't like their methodology and popularity and ease of use. You want to make the Millions? of bucks that people have spent to be able to hunt the extended season, worth NOTHING.
How would you feel if a group lobbied and outlawed your method because it was not effecient enough? Led to too many inhumane kills, and wounded animals? That your guns are too dangerous because they are not made by "Brand X"? You'd be livid.
Just try to see the issue from the other guys POV. I can see your side. I really can. That's why I would endorse an additional season, but it sure wouldn't be fair to the poor SOB that can't afford another gun, to make his inline gun worthless.
Jabba
PS... again I stress that I intend NOTHING personal in anything I post. Please take it for what it is... friendly debate, and nothing more.
Jabba
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Post by deputydon on Dec 7, 2005 15:13:23 GMT -5
1st of all I understand your not being personal...............But I feel your missing the point.............WE DID ORGINALLY GET AN ADDITIONAL SEASON
than it got over-run AFTER WE GOT IT...........What's to say that won't happen again ?
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Post by jabba on Dec 7, 2005 15:19:53 GMT -5
OK... you say it got over run. Over run by what? Other people following the law as written? Or did they CHANGE the law to allow the inlines?
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Post by bounce on Dec 7, 2005 17:23:18 GMT -5
No Jabba the law was cear as to the intent of it to stay primitive. It was just inored and allowed to be over run be cause the big money was the strongest talker after the fact. No loupe holes. Just a refuseal to inforce!! and totaly allowed to go wild. For example even now No scopes are alowed. But if you want to use one you have no worries of geting a fine!! I may as well use my 50-70 Sharps, I know they really would not care!! Of course I would not go up to them and show them after the fact!! They see fine money if your that stupid.
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Post by bounce on Dec 7, 2005 17:42:07 GMT -5
I might add that most of the puplic knew when they bought there inline that it did not jive with the law some maybe not but most did. and yes they knew they were lawbreakers much like pochers just figured that maybe they would get away with it.. and did So then the whole family and all their friends did the same You could buy a license any time and the sales just mushroomed and the DNR just said "WOW" this is GREAT!! So the rest is just history for us that got the special hunt in the 1st place. Now they could just have a rife seasion for 6 weeks and be the same as it is in reallity
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Post by deputydon on Dec 7, 2005 21:02:03 GMT -5
I just have to ask .................is it alright w/ you in-liners that anyone can use a crossbow during archery season ? If not why  ?? |
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Post by bounce on Dec 7, 2005 21:40:43 GMT -5
Gee Wizz D*D That would be GREAT!!! I would not have to learn anything at all to hunt with an arrow then!! I could hunt archery deer too with out any pratice or work hardly at all.
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