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Post by Bill on Dec 5, 2005 10:14:25 GMT -5
Hey, leave it alone boys. The retail companys are making a killing off these new fangled guns unlike the old style where we made everything we used for shooting it. These new guns have to have their pills before they can shoot and then they have to have their Sabot along with some latests and bestest bullet and they have to have the ML shotgun primer as they find that the regular shotgun primer blows the load down the barrel before it ignites thus leaving an air gap which isn't good. Heck its getting to be that these Modern ML's are what is helping support the retail stores. Whereas us guys that shoot the older guns, well LOL a lot of us buy our patching at wallmart in the millinary dept, the balls are cast on the kitchen stove, and the only thing we really need to go to the store and get is the powder and primers. Where is the profit in that.  So my thoughts are this. If we leave it alone it keeps the retail companys in business selling the latest and bestest to the gimick guys and the rest of us get to shoot a whole lot more for a whole lot less. All the while laughing behind our hands at the gimick guys. |
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Post by donnie on Dec 5, 2005 10:15:04 GMT -5
I just think that if ya wanna use a rifle with a scope and 200 yard capabilities you should use it during the regular gun deer season. I also think that any trophy game killed with said rifle should not be allowed into muzzleloader record books.
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Post by Bill on Dec 5, 2005 10:20:37 GMT -5
I don't bother the guys with the scopes either Donnie. Reason being is some of us old farts have eyes that are going bad and can't see the sights anymore. The easiest and best fix for this is a 1X scope with a cross hair we can see. The alternative is to quit shooting. Me if the time comes that I cannot see the sights at all well then guess what.  |
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Post by deputydon on Dec 5, 2005 10:31:49 GMT -5
Hey, leave it alone boys. The retail companys are making a killing off these new fangled guns unlike the old style where we made everything we used for shooting it. These new guns have to have their pills before they can shoot and then they have to have their Sabot along with some latests and bestest bullet and they have to have the ML shotgun primer as they find that the regular shotgun primer blows the load down the barrel before it ignites thus leaving an air gap which isn't good. Heck its getting to be that these Modern ML's are what is helping support the retail stores. Whereas us guys that shoot the older guns, well LOL a lot of us buy our patching at wallmart in the millinary dept, the balls are cast on the kitchen stove, and the only thing we really need to go to the store and get is the powder and primers. Where is the profit in that. So my thoughts are this. If we leave it alone it keeps the retail companys in business selling the latest and bestest to the gimick guys and the rest of us get to shoot a whole lot more for a whole lot less. All the while laughing behind our hands at the gimick guys. Bill I don't know if you intented to but you just proved Bounce's point!!!! |
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Post by bounce on Dec 5, 2005 10:48:46 GMT -5
I might add if it was inforced as intended the Old stile rifle would have sold and not put many of the makers of them to change or go out of busness, and brought more peaple into the Tradicanal sport!! But alass eveyone sold their sole out to Cabelea's!!! Now it is as it is!! But I agree with Donnie that they should be shooting in the regular rifle seasion like I did with my tradicanal rifle before a special seasion was set just for us!!
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Post by Bubba on Dec 5, 2005 12:11:20 GMT -5
Exactly the "pont" Jack The Seasion was created for traditinal enthusiast not the general masses of hunters. Not quite true in Delaware.... the reason they started a ML season here is to give the hunters another chance to kill more deer..... there are so many deer here, they've become a neusance.... the "powers that be" have even gone so far as to hire "professional" hunters to "Poach" deer at night with rifles and night scopes... AND they give them $80 a deer to boot... they're not supposed to kill bucks, just does but you know they can't tell a button buck from a doe at night ... shoot... it's hard to do that during the day, let alone at night!!!... |
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Post by Bill on Dec 6, 2005 0:00:29 GMT -5
I think if you read more closly D-D I didn't argue against anyone. I just stated the reason that the inlines are doing so well. More profit. Plus the game commisions get more people to hunting durring the ML season thus bringing in more revinue. Check and see where the revanue goes if you want to really bitch. Bet it don't for the most part go back into providing more area's to support game. Probably more into the area's like parks and rec for the city folks that come out and hunt in the country. Check that out if you really want to bitch.
On the other hand, I bet that right now there are more people out there shooting the inlines rather than the traditional rifles. This means your outnumbered. Don't mean your wrong though just outnumbered so guess who is going to get the most attention. I gave up the fight against the inlines. Reason being is that at least there are more new people out there hunting with some form of ML. Also, if you look at the racks you will find that their is still a large number of new Traditional ML's on the racks for sale. The sport isn't dead to traditional guys, they have just been outnumbered and are keeping their heads down and quietly enjoying their sport and leaving the other guys alone. Also when you look at the racks of inlines you find that you can buy an inline for $69 but if you want a traditional rifle your going to pay in excess of $300 and the sky is the limit.
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Post by deputydon on Dec 6, 2005 9:19:57 GMT -5
I have ta wonder if your stand would be the same if you didn't work for Cabela's ? I know, I know, of course it would be....................
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Post by jabba on Dec 6, 2005 10:05:16 GMT -5
I use a scoped inline. Because I think it's the best tool for the job, available to me. Indiana does not allow rifles. Only shotgun, with a slug, handgun or muzzleloader. I think my .54 Knight is the best tool I have available. I use it during our muzzleloader season because I already own it.
They keep trying to get us to kill more and more deer. The limits keep going up. And lets face it. There are a lot of morons shooting a shotgun. It takes a little bit of practice and due diligence to shoot a muzzleloader, even if it IS an inline.
Also remember that inline ignition is not NEW. They had underhammer, inline muzzleloaders WAY back when.
I have also switched to 209 primers recently. Mostly just because everyone else in my group has. Peer pressure... not really. More about spare parts availability than anything else. I have a #11 cap gun too. That's my loaner gun and at least 7 guys have killed deer with it. I used it all last year as well.
Rather than exclude inlines from the MUZZLELOADER season... how about adding a Traditional Season?
Or a non-compound archery season? Or maybe a spear season? How about a rock season, for the REALLY hard corre traditionalists?
I think people have a tendency to want the line drawn just behind where THEY stand. Not just on this topic, but everything. "What I do is perfectly OK, but if you want toget away with ANYTHING more... it's jusy WRONG!!".
JMO
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Post by deputydon on Dec 6, 2005 10:56:48 GMT -5
Jabba, I totally understand your opinion and in fact have been waiting for it. What your doing is using your inline in a state that doesn't
allow high powers for whatever stupid reason. In Nebraska as Bounce has pointed out our ML season was lobbied for and meant to be a t
tradishional ML season by law..............until big money and greed stepped in. Colorado in fact stopped the use of in-lines FOR ONE SEASON
till big money lobbiest stepped in and than CO. looked the other way too. What's the answer I don't know ...........But I'll still voice
my opinion!!!! I also don't think animals shot w/ an in-line should go in the ML record books.
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Post by jabba on Dec 6, 2005 11:20:10 GMT -5
What if it was a 100 year old inline underhammer gun?
Just curious how you would write the rules to allow the OLD inlines and disallow the NEW ones.
I respect your opinion man. I mostly am debating for the joy of debating.
Jabba
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Post by bounce on Dec 6, 2005 12:27:31 GMT -5
I see no diferance in underhammer or side hamer or on top That were made back then or copied now, If made Traditionial in the first place. And see no probblum with your thinking in your state ether jabba but in my state your Knight to my thinking should be in the rifle olnly seasion not the muzzel loading one.
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Post by Bubba on Dec 6, 2005 12:33:28 GMT -5
There ya go... What about them 100 year old in-line ML's? How about black-powder cartridge rifles. This year in Delaware they passed the first Handgun season.. they also said that during ML season or shotgun season we can use Spencer 45/70 black-powder paper cartridge rifles. The only caliber they will allow is the 45/70 (go figure) but it's now allowed... I think the technical name of the hunting season here is "primative weapon" season... what does that mean? In-lines are not really "primative"....
I can understand your positions... I really can... but... Jabba makes some good points... oh, by the way, Delaware has the same laws regarding deer hunting as Indiana... no rifles....
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Post by bounce on Dec 6, 2005 12:42:43 GMT -5
A Under hammer is not a true inline folks!!
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Post by donnie on Dec 6, 2005 12:56:18 GMT -5
No-one has mentioned projectiles or rate of twist of the barrel. A traditional gun shoots patched round balls or the much more modern conical bullet. It typically has a very slow rate of twist designed to give good accuracy to the stubby projectile. If ya wanna shoot patched round balls in your modern inline and are willing to forego the scope I have no problem with ya hunting in my muzzleloader season.
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