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Post by twomoons on Dec 23, 2011 22:32:34 GMT -5
That's what killed the 222 Mag they no more than got it going and along came FACTORY 22-250 and that was the death blow to the 222 Mag the 225 Winchester and the 219 zipper. Barrel life with the 22-250 and the 223 are not all that different, a lot depends on how you shoot. My boy burned out the barrels on several M16's shootng full auto in a couple days but if you space the shots and don't overheat the barrel and clean it at reasonable intervals you should get up to 5000 shots before the accuracy slips a bunch. More barrles are ruined by lack of or improper cleaning than by shooting.
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Post by Bill on Dec 30, 2011 9:01:36 GMT -5
So hows the SPSV coming. Haven't heard a word about it lately. Been waiting to hear just how good it shoots. ;D
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Post by deputydon on Dec 30, 2011 14:27:17 GMT -5
So hows the SPSV coming. Haven't heard a word about it lately. Been waiting to hear just how good it shoots. ;D I think he sold it.....
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Post by Bill on Dec 31, 2011 7:28:40 GMT -5
It what I figured would happen.
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Post by twomoons on Dec 31, 2011 22:35:31 GMT -5
Actually I am bedding it in a Boyd's thumbhole stock with a pillar bedding kit. BUT I am still not satisfied with the trigger either. I am really considering doing a SAVAGE I have with a 223 barrel blank I have in back and putting that in a varmit stock. The savage has a better trigger and the action screws are in a better spot for accuracy. As to how it shoots I am just setting up a GOOD bench rest on a friends place and wil be settng up a 1-300 yard range so I will let you know.
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Post by Bill on Jan 1, 2012 10:02:27 GMT -5
Actually I don't like the Savage trigger. ;D Go figure. If I accidentally reach too far around the trigger and pull back on the opposite side as my trigger hand the gun will go click and not go off. I get a lot of guns come back that guys complain about the gun not going off and something is the matter with it. Nope, nothing the matter its just a Savage trigger. Their old trigger was a better one, once a gunsmith cleaned it up and lightened it up a bit. Now all that taken back the Savage Target action is awesome. Just don't lighten the trigger to less than 10 Oz because if you take it down to the 8 oz it is supposed to do and run the bolt too fast the trigger will click and the gun won't go off. Then you need to re-cock it again slow to make it work. I really would like to have one of the Savage 12 target actions to play with but first thing I would do is get rid of the trigger. I have shot one of the Target Actions built up into a pistol with the rear grip stock and a Jewell trigger set at 1 lb in .243 with a 16" barrel and that gun was sweet. 100 yd groups were less than 1/4" off a bench which was an old folding table with a chair and a couple sandbags for a front rest. My thoughts on the Savage are this. They are a good shooting rifle. Not better but on an average it will shoot with anything off the shelf and that will include a Cooper which is an awesome rifle. But if you take the money you will spend on a Cooper and put it onto a Rem 700 or Savage you will have one awesome shooting rifle. Heck if you put a Jewell trigger in the Remington or Savage you will have one awesome shooting rifle. I am also getting really great reports on the new FN built Winchesters. It will be interesting to see where they go in the future.
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Post by jimh on Jan 1, 2012 10:12:37 GMT -5
Bill, did that savage pistol have a muzzle break? 1/4" groups is fantastic for any rifle much less a 16" barrel pistol.
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Post by twomoons on Jan 1, 2012 14:20:27 GMT -5
I have a Savage 11 action with a trigger I worked over for a fellow a few years ago. The trigger is set for 2 pounds crisp. I pulled it apart and honed and polished the mating surfaces and it breaks like a glass rod. I have a 223 barrel blank from Shilen in 223 in a 1-14 twist and i was thinking of a boyds thumbhole stock. I still think about that 30-06 i did for Mert Crockett that is a one hole shooter, ugly but accurate. I don't know as I am finishing the Remington today and I have a fellow here panting for it with money in hand so it looks like either way I am building something!
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Post by Bill on Jan 2, 2012 7:47:28 GMT -5
Money always talks but just make sure that profit is first and foremost. Otherwise your just spinning wheels. I would not be adverse to using a Savage Mod 11 action to build off of. Don't even care if its ugly. The one and only criteria I have is that it shoots and shoots well. E.R.Shaw sells barrels for Savages for around $200 which is cheap. Only problem with them is the fact that their rough, very rough. The need a bunch of break in. Pac-Nor also makes a very good barrel in their Super Match which is a great barrel for the money somewhere around $300 unless you feel the need for all kinds of flutes and stuff. Put one of the Pac-Nor supermatch barrels on and a EGW one piece base with a 20 Degree angle on it and a good set of rings and go to work and get a good 6.5X20 scope and put on it and if its bedded in a good stock right that gun will shoot lights out on PD's. Hell just build it as a single shot and its still plenty good to go.
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Post by twomoons on Jan 6, 2012 14:15:16 GMT -5
Well the final chapter is... Howa wins!!!!!
I ended up selling the Remington and with cash in hand started looking at building a Savage, but the cost was too high for the parts I wanted. I checked with my distributor and got a Howa 223 bull barrel for les than the Remington and so i ordered another one. As before the gun came out of the box with a crisp trigger that broke at exactly 48 oz. I cleaned and lightly lapped the bore and went to the range after slipping on a 4x16 scope. The first 3 shot group with FACTORY ammo went into .510 and even from the car window in the wind I was consistantly under 1". I did bed the rifle into a Boyd's TH Varmit stock with some new bedding compound, but the rifle is still a shooter and I didn't HAVE to replace the stock is I didn't want to. Sorry Remington youjust don't measure up.
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Post by Jack on Jan 6, 2012 17:20:05 GMT -5
Sounds like a winner!
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Post by deputydon on Jan 6, 2012 19:00:28 GMT -5
Is this the Howa I'm supposed to get ?
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Post by Bill on Jan 7, 2012 8:50:36 GMT -5
I don't know how you can say it didn't measure up, you sold it before you even shot it. ;D I think you just had your mind made up before you even tried it and no matter what it was not going to work. The Howa will work and shoot good for you too so enjoy it. The Steven's would of been my alternative direction to go and do a build on it. I have seen NIB barrels selling for for $100 which would of made for a cheap build.
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Post by twomoons on Jan 7, 2012 12:32:02 GMT -5
Here is my reasoning although I did shoot a couple groups from the Remington before i sold it...
I am sure the Remington woould have shot as well, but #1 my promotion ran out and the Remington would have been $200 more than the Howa.
#2 even at it lowest setting the Remington trigger was just not as crisp as the Howa so I woould have had to replace the trigger for another $100. And I would have had to replace the Remington stock too.
#3 The Hoowa even though it has a 24" barrel has a heavier barrel and seemed to balance a little better for me. I don't think I will miss the extra 50 fps the longer barrel would have given.
#4 and most important, I am a HOWA dealer and it looks better for me to be shoooting what I sell, but Bill wouldn't know about that would you REMINGTON dealer.
As to measure up I think I covered that in my first post dog gone it there is no excuse for getting LESS rifle for MORE money.
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Post by Bill on Jan 8, 2012 9:13:06 GMT -5
Hmm I sell Rem, Sav, Wby,s. Don't think I promote one over the other. Just promote what works best. All three shoot very well though and all three are at about the same Price point. Just purchase 126 Wby's to put on the used gun racks. (Had to do something, could not keep up with the sales) Also bought 40 Savages. Couldn't find any Remington's. Wish I could of as the Wby's aren't going out so fast. The Sub MOA's with the S-2 trigger they put in to compete with the New Remington trigger shoot well even though they are handicapped with the shorter 22"HB barrel. Trying to keep up with 700 VTR's I guess. The standard weight model with the 24" barrels are nice guns although I like the heavier 26" of the SPS's. I can see my hits due to less recoil due to the weight. The trigger in the Rem can be taken down as far as the Sub MOA without any trouble. Both will go to 2.5 Lbs by the owner. If weight is the determining factor then the Savage will take the winners cup. The 12 VLP is one heavy sucker but will cost the same as the SPS if it is upgraded to the B&C Medallion stock then they weigh in about the same and little advantage of one over the other. Too bad Wby didn't come out with a Sub MOA with the 26" bbl though as it would of made them a contender in the eyes of most heavy duty PD'er's. All three guns if set up right WILL shoot right there with a Cooper though with a bit of money and work and cost less than the Cooper by far. Stocks and Triggers are the secret to making that happen. And last but least, If I let an opportunity to poke you a bit go by without a response I should have my butt kicked. ;D Probably should anyway But I just gotts to do it. the Wby just comes up short. by about 2-4 inches so to speak. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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