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Post by Purebred Redneck on Oct 17, 2008 12:32:57 GMT -5
I was at Dicks last night for the first time and noticed a side by side on their shelf. I have been kicking around the idea of a SxS for a while but I'm not real serouis about buying it just yet. 12ga, fixed chokes (imp and mod), 20" barrel, fairly easy to open, a good rib and sight picture. You could probably mount one of those clamp on / stick on sights if you wanted. wood, blueing, and overall finish was acceptable. Only negatives would be the double trigger --- not sure I could get used to that but all of the short barrel shotguns have the double triggers. Regular price $330 I could of got it for $310 on sale For someone like me that would shoot less than 100 rounds a year, I don't think you can go wrong. This is on my buy list for the day I get bored and want to spend money on something I don't really need
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 16, 2009 0:23:54 GMT -5
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Post by bounce on Feb 16, 2009 9:16:57 GMT -5
love the 20" sxs with imp & m and 3" chamber. whith todays shells no other gun is needed ever for anything. I have never used a Stoeger or a single trigger though. and I don't have a hang up with two triggers & hammers.
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Post by Bill on Feb 16, 2009 13:01:13 GMT -5
So what impressed you with this gun. Are you looking at getting into Cowboy action shooting. Road Hunting, Home Defense, or Bank Robbing. Bounce is into Cowboy action shooting but with his bad knee's he probably does not get out and walk for Upland game much but he does have a need for it SO I'm trying to figure out which need your covering with it. ;D Second off, unless its a Japanese or Italian single trigger I wouldn't touch one. The English and Spanish have been trying to get them right for years and have never succeeded. Over and Under's, Thats a differant story.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 16, 2009 13:37:45 GMT -5
I think it would be great for rabbit hunting. I'm normally all tangled up in the brush and the short barrel is less apt to get in the way.
Most shotgunners try to swing, shoot, and followthrough. Not me...I point and blast because around here 15 yards is a long shot if you can even get a shot off at all.
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 16, 2009 19:33:16 GMT -5
Just think carrying an extra barrel when a second shot is just a pump away.
No one I grew up hunting with carried SxS's just pumps auto's and single shots. I think I rememer a single bolt action 20 guage. Lot's of single shot but no Over /unders or SxS's.
I do like rifle\shotgun over unders like the stevens and savage. But a chunk of SxS. I did see a few 20 gauge over and under's I liked but they were winchesters.
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Post by bounce on Feb 16, 2009 20:45:09 GMT -5
You guys have missed some of lifes best hunting but that's fine. can't hurt the feeling of anyone that has and use's one. From what I do know I tend to belive bill on the single triger I know I do not want one un less it's free.
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Post by Jack on Feb 16, 2009 21:51:31 GMT -5
I'm not a rabbit hunter, but I've done a lot of grouse and woodcock hunting in thick cover. It's true that with a single barrel like a pump another shot is just a pump away- but that's not the point. It's not about repeat shots- it's about being able to get on the game and make the first shot. Take a look at the guns. Put a 26" barrel side by side or over and under next to a 26" barrel pump or autoloader. Assuming the same length buttstock, the pump and autoloader will be six inches longer than the 2 barrel jobs. Why? Three inch length of the bolt in the single barrel jobs, and three more inches for the bolt to cycle through when the action cycles- look at the receiver. That extra 6 inches of length may well keep you from being able to swing the gun in thick cover. Been there, done that, got the T shirt. Now, I know nothing specific about this Stoeger, but a 20" side by side would be one short handy brush gun. I will say I've seen some Stoeger imported shotguns over the years that seemed to me to be rather cheaply made.
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Post by bounce on Feb 17, 2009 0:12:45 GMT -5
I get the impresion to that most of you think 20" is close range only, not so not in my Rossi greener style anyway. A 3" mag type shell realy reaches out to getum just like any shotgun.
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Post by dovehunter on Feb 17, 2009 8:45:29 GMT -5
Red:
Have you tried mounting and pointing this gun? I know this is going to sound hyprocritical coming from me with my frequently stated preference for short barrels, but 20" barrels on a SxS double is going to make for an awfully short, butt-heavy gun. Being this short, you may have some problems with a natural follow-through on shots where you have to swing quickly from left to right or vice versa. I have a 20 ga. Stevens m311 with 26"barrels on which I have experienced the swinging follow-through problem because the gun is just so light at the muzzle end. You just have to force yourself to follow-through with the swing. I'd advise checking out some other longer barreled side-by-sides at the same time just so you can get an idea about the follow-through thing. Just a thought.
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Post by jimiowa on Feb 17, 2009 9:24:16 GMT -5
I think it would be great for rabbit hunting. I'm normally all tangled up in the brush and the short barrel is less apt to get in the way. Most shotgunners try to swing, shoot, and followthrough. Not me...I point and blast because around here 15 yards is a long shot if you can even get a shot off at all. Wow! imagine me coming to Red's defense. When I was a kid dad carried a worn out side by side 12 ga side hammer that had belonged to grampa. I mean the barrels were so worn they were razor sharp. That's my idea of a rabbit gun. So when I got old enough to buy my own, and was making good money(about $3.10 per hour) in the 70's I bought a FIE Brazillian made 2 3/4" 12 ga. Like Red I had no beagle(had them growing up and miss them), so hunting rabbits was a stomp on brushpiles point &snap shooting proposition. Choke was a hinderance in those cases, so I cut the barrels back to 24" and the CYL/CYL 12 ga double in my opinion is the perfect rabbit gun. An open choke rolls them without having to eat a half oz of lead. That's not to say you could not do as well with an open choke tube in the 870 but if ya want a double go for it!.
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Post by Bill on Feb 17, 2009 10:31:12 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying that cyl. and cyl. aren't good chokes for rabbits Jim. What most of us are saying is that 20" barrels work great on non moving targets or slow moving targets. But on fast moving targets the 20"s can get away from you and actually make shots harder to do. In heavy brush where barrel length is a hindrance I myself would look at a short barreled 870 like a riot gun or a SXS with 26" barrels. Reason being is that with the mag fully loaded or even not fully loaded it will provide a bit more follow through than the short SXS. Even a 26" SXS is almost as short as a 870 Riot though and though whippy will give you some small bit of follow though. Something you don't have with the 20" barrels. Of course as heavily built as the Stoeger is, it probably would weigh as much as a decent 26" SXS would. Of course there is a world of difference between the Stoeger and a Decent SXS built for hunting purposes. The Stoeger is purpose built for Cowboy action or even home defense. Not so great for anything where follow through comes into play. Just does not balance right. As an after thought it might make a good ball bat for clubbing rabbits though. ;D
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 17, 2009 10:43:02 GMT -5
As an after thought it might make a good ball bat for clubbing rabbits though.
I thought that was a mossberg duty.
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Post by jimiowa on Feb 17, 2009 11:44:42 GMT -5
As an after thought it might make a good ball bat for clubbing rabbits though. I thought that was a mossberg duty. CAREFUL THERE!! Some of us are pretty happy with our Mossy's! ;D ;D
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Post by Jack on Feb 17, 2009 14:43:27 GMT -5
I have to agree that the 'swing' and follow through will be poor with such a compact shotgun. On the other hand, banging your barrel against a tree will mess up your swing, every time. ;D If the cover's really thick enough that a really short shotgun is an advantage, you aren't swinging, anyway. As to the 20" side by side being used for anything else, it wouldn't be much good. Clearly, it's a specialty tool for the thickest of covers.
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