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Post by twomoons on Feb 19, 2009 9:25:04 GMT -5
The Mossberg design is a cheapened copy oof the Remington M 31 and that was one of the best pumps Remington ever made. The only problems with the mossberg have to do with the cheaapening process. They have essentially made it a throw away gun. For example the trigger assambly is pllastic and when anything breaks you buy a new assembly. The cost of the new assembly is 1/2 the cost of a gun add any labor and presto, a throwaway gun. This is the same problem with a lot of modern designs. The Marlin Glenfield is the same in that the feed mechanism wears and when it is gone the rifle is too.
I will say that other than the single trigger mechhanism the Stoegers are not a bad gun and I see very few in for repair. The single trigger tends to stick some times and any wood shavings from the rough inletting will lock it up in short order.
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Post by bounce on Feb 19, 2009 9:59:28 GMT -5
We keep running mossberg down to keep them cheap & afordible, a poor mans collectable lol.
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Post by dovehunter on Feb 19, 2009 19:56:22 GMT -5
Back to the Stoeger Coach Gun, I seem to recollect having read some years back where this guy Ayoub (who is supposed to be some kind of personal/home defense guru) said that he considered a short-barreled 12 ga. SxS with no. 4 shot to be the very best home defense gun around. The argument he made for it at the time seemed to make sense. i am not saying that I necessarily buy into this but am merely throwing it out there for what it's worth.
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Post by jimiowa on Feb 19, 2009 20:10:35 GMT -5
Back to the Stoeger Coach Gun, I seem to recollect having read some years back where this guy Ayoub (who is supposed to be some kind of personal/home defense guru) said that he considered a short-barreled 12 ga. SxS with no. 4 shot to be the very best home defense gun around. The argument he made for it at the time seemed to make sense. i am not saying that I necessarily buy into this but am merely throwing it out there for what it's worth. Very Likely, I have read a number of his articles. And with is credentials one best know his stuff before arguing with him. Massad F. Ayoob (born July 20, 1948) is an internationally-known firearms and self-defense instructor. He is the Director of the Lethal Force Institute in Concord, New Hampshire, has taught police techniques and civilian self-defense to both law enforcement officers and private citizens in numerous venues since 1974, and has appeared as an expert witness in several trials. He has served as a part-time police officer in New Hampshire since 1972 and currently holds the rank of Captain in the Grantham, New Hampshire police department[1]. Massad Ayoob has authored several books and over one thousand articles on firearms, combat techniques, self-defense, and legal issues, and has served in an editorial capacity for Guns Magazine, American Handgunner, Gun Week, and Combat Handguns. Since 1995, he has written self-defense- and firearms-related articles for Backwoods Home Magazine. He also has a featured segment on the television show Personal Defense TV, which airs on The Outdoor Channel in the United States. While Ayoob has been in the courtroom as a testifying police officer, expert witness, and police prosecutor, he is not an attorney; he is, however a former Vice Chairman of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL), and is believed to be the only non-attorney to ever hold this position. [2][3] His published work was cited by the Violence Policy Center in their amicus curiae brief filed with the US Supreme Court in the District of Columbia v. Heller case, and he himself filed a declaration in another amicus brief in this case.[4] His course for attorneys, titled "The Management of the Lethal Force/Deadly Weapons Case" was, according to Jeffrey Weiner (former President of NACDL), "the best course for everything you need to know but are never taught in law school."[5] Ayoob remains an internationally prominent law enforcement officer training instructor. Since 1987, he has served as Chair of Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers (ASLET).[dated info] He also serves on the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators’ and Trainers’ Association, and is an Instructor at the National Law Enforcement Training Center.[6] Critics of Ayoob, such as John Rosenthal of Stop Handgun Violence, a Massachusetts gun control organization, accuse him of preparing potential killers to be more lethal, despite screening processes which permit only law enforcement officers, Federal Firearms Licensees, holders of state-issued concealed handgun carry permits, or those having similar credentials to take his courses.[7][8
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 20, 2009 9:46:47 GMT -5
I normally skip the defense articles in magazines but I found myself reading a Shooting Times magazine a day or so ago (I think it was dec 08) and they were talking about the Taurus Judge 410/45lc pistol.
They tested the 410 pistol by "doubletapping" the target with 3" mag buckshot at 10-15 feet. That gun had a 7" pattern.
They then tested the 410 pistol by doubletapping the target with 3" #4's at 10-15 feet. It was a 15"-18" spread because of the short barrel and spin of the rifling !!! That's truely a point and shoot gun at close range such as in a house.
They even pointed out that a open choke shotgun is often given way too much credit. What are we talking about at 10-15 feet --- a 3" pattern? Yes, it's devistating; but you still have to aim because you're so close.
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Post by bounce on Feb 20, 2009 10:42:42 GMT -5
At ten or fifteen feet I can definately point and shoot any shotgun if no aim time is granted Red, don't test me!!
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Post by Bill on Feb 24, 2009 0:16:32 GMT -5
I keep thinking of the impression a Stoeger Coach gun would make on a criminal mind. Bet with a good swing it would really put a dent in his head.
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Post by bounce on Feb 24, 2009 9:09:34 GMT -5
leave it to bill to find all it's wonderfull qualitys, faster they swing the biger the dent in head.
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Post by Bill on Feb 25, 2009 9:30:27 GMT -5
Ya but that was the one and only distinguishing value that I could come up with for this gun. ;D
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