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Post by sebastian on Feb 17, 2007 13:31:43 GMT -5
Some days ago I got a message from the Netherland, & shortly he would like to shoot/hunt for the "barking deers" (muntjac) & hogs in my area (East Java) in September, this year. I've never know him nor familiar with him before, btw, but I accepted his request & invited him to hunt the muntjac/barking deers & hogs in my area some time ago. He just sent me some pics before. What I know was just, he responded to my offer in other forum to hunt in my area (at hunters-hut forum)... ;D So...this will be my first experience to act as a "guide" for a foreign hunter, to hunt in Indonesia...LOL. ;D Do I look like a proffesional guide/hunter, guys??? ;D ;D ;D
I've never hunt for myself for some time now, although I'm still sure that my skill wouldn't be lost or so..."problem" is, I have to check for the hunting locations again in the near future, only to make sure that he will be able to shoot the barking deers! I know I will be very "difficult" etc to accompany him to hunt for some days, preparing many things etc...but it should be an interesting experience for me also. Well, for some years I've been "wishing" for a foreign shooter/hunter to shoot in Indonesia... ;D ;D ;D
BTW, I'm not sure how he knows the muntjac deer, but I remember that "gilamonster" in this forum also knows about the muntjac/barking deer...
This guy (37) said that he has been been shoting from kid but has no barking deers in his area....however for safety thing reason, I still will ask this guy to shoot at some targets before the hunt & look at how safe & good he is on handling a rifle etc....***Question, is it okay (or ethical?) to ask him to shoot at some target before the hunt in your opinion???...perhaps kind of like a "warm up" thing & "understanding" on my rifles before the hunt??
Any of you guys here interested in hunting muntjac & hogs in my area? ;D
seb.
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Post by dakota on Feb 17, 2007 14:10:16 GMT -5
By all means ask him to shoot a target. I would also watch how sfae he is. I doubt very seriously if he would have a problem with that! It is expected at for many guides here in the States. I would be intersted in hunting there. Money would be the only barrier and it stands out like the Wall of China.
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Post by sebastian on Feb 18, 2007 5:11:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the advise, dakota. I appreciate it. I hope that he is just okay....seb.
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Post by Gila on Feb 23, 2007 1:29:42 GMT -5
You absolutely need to have this guy shoot at a target first. Everyone is expected to prove that they can shoot reasonably first. I'm not sure what the terrain is like where you hunt Muntjac and I have no idea how thick the vegitiation is Sebastian, but I know Muntjac can be tough to hunt if the vegitation is thick. These little deer can be extremely tough to find or kill. Well, finding them isn't too tough when they start barking .. ha ha ha haaaa
I'd love to hunt with you some time Sebastain. I understand the sub-species you have may not be the same as the Reeves Muntjac I hunted in the UK. Safari Club recognizes two species, the Indian Muntjac and the Reeves Muntjac...? ? The Indian Muntjac is notably larger than the Reeves Muntjac.
Have fun!
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Post by sebastian on Feb 23, 2007 10:47:39 GMT -5
Hi Gila....is John Wasson Jr. your true name?
Thanks for the advice. Yes, I think I'd ask him to first operate/handle my rifles & shoot some rounds at a target or two before the hunt....I would certainly know if he is good or not, at a glance.
Okay a little about our local muntjac... First I'm not sure if they're Indian or Reeves Muntjac??...but it is stated in some booklets that ours are being called "Muntiacus Muntjac". They're a bit different from place to place, though...some of them are in brown/reddish color, but some are almost black (especially around the back, feets & the face). The "black" ones are usually a bit bigger than the brown/red ones. The normal weight of our barking deer (mature) is around 20-25 kgs, while the big/black one can reach about 35 kgs or so. We can find them in almost any fields, from thick vegetations/forests, corn field, pine woods etc. From very short range to long range (up to the spotlight could reach...depends on the field, situation, fog, dusts, etc). These little deers can be found without so hard overhere in my area, especially if we hunt at night with jeep & by spotlighting. Stalking (at night or daylight) & tree stand method are also fun! We can also "calling" them by a custom made device (from a kind of bamboo & a little piece of plastic, sounds like a male deer), as they have their own territorial. Not like hogs, they wouldn't be too far from its territorial, wouldn't be no more than 1/2 kilometers range. Not like hogs, sometimes we wouldn't even know if the deer is just reaching/standing under our treestand, because they walk very carefully & doesn't make any sound/voice. (this can happen if we hunt at thick vegetations & in wet season...no dry wood branches, leaves etc). This deer can also "called" to get closer, by a spotlight. Most of the time we can determine if it is male or female just by looking their eyes (even at long distance...say at 500m or so). By spotlighting, the male reflects reddish eyes while the female reflects greenish eye...(although depends on the angle they're facing at, too). My scopes also first rate, so they also a big help....if the deer is a bit darker it should be a male! I've shot more than one hundreds for myself, so what I would like to do just to let him to shoot these little deers! If he is good on handling/shooting a rifle I will let him to bring one of my rifles (I think the Rem700 .223). But if he is not, probably I will just give him the rifle & a live round when we're finding the deer. (this still can be done when we hunt by jeep & spotlighting). ...It just seems(?) that he is not usual with hunting/spotlighting at night, so I suspect that he would be hard/difficult to see the games???....I had several experience shooting with some "beginners" before, & they usually ask "where..where?" or "what's that?' etc...while the 1 million CP spotlight is ponting the game straightly/directly! (we usually use two spotlights, one for left side & one for right side).....for many times I also found that they're just making too much movements etc on the platform on top of the jeep, moving the whole jeep & not steady for a shot. (not uncommon we need to make a quick shot because of the field /vegetations / situation). Walking/stalking & climbing a tree at night without a light should be a problem for him too, I suspect? (this if we hunt by treestand method after noon, or at night). ....Well, that's why I hope that he is/will be "just okay"... Anyway, he will be my guest, & I will always be on his side to help etc!
Thanks! Come here someday & I will let you shoot these little deers....seb.
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Gila
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Post by Gila on Feb 23, 2007 12:22:30 GMT -5
Yes Sabastian, That is my real name. I just decided to use my own name for now..
I have never heard of calling one in but it makes perfect sense to me as they are territorial and will fight each other over terrotories and over females as well. They will use their tusks and bite each other and sometimes it will lead to the death of the other deer I have been told. I can see a call working just fine. I would love to check that out and see how it works.
I have no idea how many species of Muntjac really exist. I only know the two different classifications used by Safari Club. It really makes little difference though. They are a lot of fun to hunt and a lot different than any other deer in many respects. I know I have a lot to learn about these tiny deer.
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Post by sebastian on Feb 23, 2007 13:59:31 GMT -5
Yep, they're a lot of fun to hunt...but personally I more prefer to hunt hogs....maybe just because hogs become the "enemy" of the local farmers, & look "bad", lol.
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Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Feb 23, 2007 18:10:09 GMT -5
Yea, they do look "bad"! lol
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Post by sebastian on Feb 27, 2007 12:14:49 GMT -5
Well...this guy made a direct phone call to me several days ago, and just confirmed me yesterday that he will come on Sept 9 and will be leaving on Sept 22. He also gave me the flight number, time arrival etc. Before this, we've been correspondencing for some time now....he has asked the details of the locations (hunting fields/spot), costs etc....& I told him all of the informations, including the local F&B, accomodations, what's need to bring, the rifles/scopes, the jeep, how far/how many hours drive, etc... He asked me also if he would be able to bring one or two skulls of the barking deers...I personally think I need to prepare some wood "bases?" for the skulls as a gift. Hmm....another "job" for me on Sept! (and before)...lol....I just hope that he will be happy during his visit!...I am sure he will find & shoot a lot of deers overhere. However I told him too that the succes ratio will also be depend on his shooting skill. I will only act as a "back up?" & just watching, btw.
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Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Mar 1, 2007 8:43:31 GMT -5
It sure sounds like you have put a lot of thought into the hunt to make sure that the hunt goes well. This would be an opportunity of a lifetime for the guy too. I'm sure he will have a great time. How difficult is it for a foreigner to get the firearms into your country now?
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Post by sebastian on Mar 1, 2007 10:49:01 GMT -5
Since bringing firearms to Indonesia will be so hard to do (because of the paperworks & bureaucracy), I offered him to use my rifles. As long as I accompany him during the hunt, he will be just okay & wouldn't have any problem.
I just asked him to bring his camera or a handycam, so I can take some pictures for him.
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Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Mar 3, 2007 8:31:54 GMT -5
Sounds like you have it all well thought of. Maybe we should start calling you PH Sebastian now.. Or how about Guide Sebastion... I like PH Sebastian better though. And... I do expect to see some of those pictures after the hunt is completed too.. lol
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Post by sebastian on Mar 4, 2007 0:00:50 GMT -5
LOL. Proffesional hunters do charge fee etc for their services. I don't. I just hope that he can shoot okay & enjoy the visit! To be truth, I still must to serve him during his visit....preparing many things, to find (or bring/prepare) proper foods that he could eat, etc...
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Post by jimh on Mar 4, 2007 8:52:35 GMT -5
Sebastian i bet this guy comes back home with a memory of a life time. hope all goess well for you and your hunter. keep us posted as things come together. hey while i'm at it how big is that metric deer in U.S. terms (lbs) i know i could find and do the coversion, i'm just too lazy and stupid to do it. ;D
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Post by sebastian on Mar 4, 2007 12:15:00 GMT -5
JimH, these tiny deers weight only about 50 lbs or so. The biggest one perhaps about 65 lbs.
Btw, 1 kilogram is approxiately 2.2 lbs.
(1 kilogram = 1000 grams)
then....: 1 lb = 15.999998701 oz...(rounded to 16 oz) = 7000 grains = 453.592368 grams 1 kg = 35.2739621 oz = 15,453.354 grains 1 oz = 0. 2834952 kg. 1 grain = 0.064799 gram
don't get me wrong, i ain't a math-scientist or so. I just ever calculated/converted above before....lol.
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