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Post by jabba on Nov 7, 2006 16:52:03 GMT -5
What I see as wrong with your plan... is that the muzzleloading season in most states now, allow inline guns. In-line guns are technically period correct in the underhammer guns... but I digress from my point. There are THOUSANDS of guys out here that have been hunting with inline muzzleloaders for our whole hunting lives. It IS our tradition. In order to implement your plan, you'd have to tell those THOUSANDS of men that the hard earned money they spent on what they considered a muzzleloader, will no longer be allowed. So now, the only thing I can see to do, is open yet another PRIMITIVE hunting season. Before or after, or on a rotating basis with the other two, IMO.
In Indiana you are limited to ONE buck per year now, regardless of the method of harvest. Bow, firearm, muzzleloader... only ONE.
Me... if they suddenly told me that the ML season I have been hunting for all of my adult life, now no longer allows inlines, because of political pressure form traditionalists... I'd be pretty pissed.
Jabba
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Post by klsm54 on Nov 7, 2006 16:54:51 GMT -5
Might be a thought, the "Earn a Buck Tag" idea. It makes sense because here in PA they keep cranking out the doe permits, but the kill doesn't go up much. When you consider that there is a small percentage of hunters that take a large percentage of the deer, it makes perfect sense. Sadly, it has never had any support here, by the game commision or sportsmen...  |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 7, 2006 21:38:57 GMT -5
Ok Jabba, I'll play along  Two senarios as far as equiptment regulations If you are going to keep inlines, then you must add crossbows to the archery season.  Wow, I made a lot of enemies with that one ;D Or we restict inlines to iron sights only - no glow sights. Now upfront, we must be aware that certain parts of the state don't have a lot of deer. The magority of the state is unlimited tags so I'll be using that as my example. Right now, in Missouri we have 2 archery any deer tags and you may buy unlimited doe tags at like 7 dollars each. It's not a bad deal. Rifle season, you are allowed the 17 dollar any deer. You may also buy unlimited doe tags (without having to buy an any deer tag) Our state has an urban county season, two weeks of rifle season, and a weekend of doe only. That's plenty of rifle hunting...more than plenty. Muzzleloader season, no inlines. We also have (which we do) managed hunts. If you draw for a specific conservation area, state park, etc you can kill anywhere from 1 to like 4 deer on one tag. It depends on what the needs of the area is. Missouri is doing ok, don't let anyone tell you different. It is getting to the point that there are too many deer being killed. |
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Post by Bill on Nov 7, 2006 21:52:38 GMT -5
I don't know what show that was on but it was on the outdoor channel sunday morning about 8;30 am and something about fair chase video's. Not even sure who sponsors them for that matter Didn't care. Just observed his comments. Thought them worthy of posting.  |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 7, 2006 22:17:46 GMT -5
No, earn a buck doesn't work.
If I was hunting an area with a friend or two we'd be on the radios everytime we hear a shot from eachother. We'd give instructions to eachother to shoot the very first doe and then radio saying that someone can shoot a buck.
My family's been playing musical tags like that for years when the situation arises. Everyone in the state does that if they hunt with other people.
EVERYONE
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Post by klsm54 on Nov 7, 2006 22:33:48 GMT -5
.... I have better things to expend my time and energy on other than trying to circumnavigate the system and play "musical tags" just to shoot another deer...  We have our share of those who are always trying to beat the system, whether it's game laws, finding a way to use their foodstamps for beer, or cheating the welfare system or the IRS. I thank the good Lord that up north here it isn't EVERYBODY... We have plenty of deer...in some areas. But, in many public hunting areas, the deer have been way overharvested. It is mainly a problem of open ground getting all the pressure, most leased ground having closer to ideal harvests and posted ground being overpopulated.
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Post by dakota on Nov 8, 2006 0:09:18 GMT -5
I am with KLSM on this one. GFP wants to reduce game numbers and 25% ranchers/farmers/land owners in some areas will work with the GFP. Many want a piece of the action. In SD the GFP has organized 'walk in' areas. This is where the state leases land for hunters to hunt on. It works pretty good in some areas and doesn't in others. Meanwhile my niece killed 5 deer in a year --- with her car.
I resent having to pay through the nose to hunt and I won't hunt big game at the rates Doctors, Lawyers, and celebrities can pay.
I don't know how to fix the problem but it is a problem getting the landowners and the hunters together.
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Post by deputydon on Nov 8, 2006 0:23:58 GMT -5
What I see as wrong with your plan... is that the muzzleloading season in most states now, allow inline guns. Me... if they suddenly told me that the ML season I have been hunting for all of my adult life, now no longer allows inlines, because of political pressure form traditionalists... I'd be pretty pissed. Jabba You'd be pissed. What about the thousands of tradtionalists across the nation who got run over by in-liners OR DON'T their feelings count? you said "YOU ARE DNR (WE CALL OURS GAME AND PARKS) FOR ONE DAY; COME UP W/ A PLAN" I DID AND IT WILL WORK; LAW VIOLATORS WOULD BE DEALT W/ LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE WHEN AND IF THEIR CAUGHT. I've done what you asked you might not like it but it would work!!!!! |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 8, 2006 0:32:33 GMT -5
You'd be pissed what about the thousands of tradtionalists across the nation who got run over by in-liners OR DON'T their feelings count? Nice...I like it ;D |
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Post by jabba on Nov 8, 2006 8:33:45 GMT -5
What I see as wrong with your plan... is that the muzzleloading season in most states now, allow inline guns. Me... if they suddenly told me that the ML season I have been hunting for all of my adult life, now no longer allows inlines, because of political pressure form traditionalists... I'd be pretty pissed. Jabba You'd be pissed. What about the thousands of tradtionalists across the nation who got run over by in-liners OR DON'T their feelings count? you said "YOU ARE DNR (WE CALL OURS GAME AND PARKS) FOR ONE DAY; COME UP W/ A PLAN" I DID AND IT WILL WORK; LAW VIOLATORS WOULD BE DEALT W/ LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE WHEN AND IF THEIR CAUGHT. I've done what you asked you might not like it but it would work!!!!! What's going on now is working, except for you, who wants your own season without anyone else back. I understand. You worked hard for your own, protected season, got it then got hosed. Now you are pissed at anyone who bought an inline gun, and uses it now. You want them to feel screwed like you got screwed. Adding ANOTHER season for you isn't good enough. You want THEM to hurt like you have been hurting. That's REALLY the bottom line for you isn't it? Jabba |
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Post by deputydon on Nov 8, 2006 8:38:28 GMT -5
No; You asked for a solution I supplied it; you didn't like it . What more is there to say?? Time to move on I'm thinking !!!!!
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Post by jabba on Nov 8, 2006 9:20:14 GMT -5
No; You asked for a solution I supplied it; you didn't like it . What more is there to say?? Time to move on I'm thinking !!!!! You offered a solution, but not one that would harverst as many or more deer, which is what the IN DNR is trying to do. Would the addition of a Traditional only season be acceptable to you? Jabba |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 8, 2006 11:01:01 GMT -5
Why should have to add another season when all we want to do is bring it back to the way it was and the way it was initially set up to be? (before greed set in)
A new season would have to be in october - pissing off bowhunters or in january - frickin cold.
If I'm DNR, jabba's sol ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jabba on Nov 8, 2006 12:35:16 GMT -5
Why not bring back Prohibition the way it USED to be?
Why not decriminalize drugs the way it USED to be?
Why not re-institute slavery the way it USED to be?
Why not make the primative season matchlocks, the way it USED to be?
Red herring arguements.
It's been this way for a long time in Indiana. It HAS become tradition. I get to hunt 6 weekends. Half that isn't enough, and they still want us to kill more deer.
Archery already has 7 weeks of season to themselves. Giving up a couple of them to some guys using matchlocks would surely be acceptable.
Jabba
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Post by bounce on Nov 8, 2006 12:47:44 GMT -5
Jabba your wheel squeaks your bearings are all dryed up and I'm all out of grease!! To bad for you, lol
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Wow, I made a lot of enemies with that one ;D
We have our share of those who are always trying to beat the system, whether it's game laws, finding a way to use their foodstamps for beer, or cheating the welfare system or the IRS. I thank the good Lord that up north here it isn't EVERYBODY... 
