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Post by jimh on Mar 23, 2006 12:22:39 GMT -5
"So... it's true? You admit you want a block of time, in the prime hunting weeks set aside for just you. " You mean, like archery hunters? on that note i would like to see an archery season for traditional bows only. no compound bows allowed and no releases allowed. |
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Post by dakota on Mar 23, 2006 13:06:55 GMT -5
I agree with you Jim. That is the only way I ever huntined with a bow. I just wish I had more talent so I could hit something that way.
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Post by jabba on Mar 23, 2006 15:16:19 GMT -5
Well lets get things a little bit more "inline"... no pun intended... LOL.
I use loose powder. I use black powder. I use a 450 grain bullet, and used to use a 600 grain solid. The only reason I went back to a sabot is because the all lead bullet fouled my bore quickly. I have never killed a deer from a tree stand. I still hunt almost exclusively. I have shot one deer at 140 yards and only ONE over 100. Most between 10 and 40, and one at about 6 feet.
If you will concede that I am not the stereotypical yahoo that you describe... I will concede that many inline hunters are.
I still come back to the issue, that no one is demanding that you use an inline rifle. Hunt any way YOU want that is legal. But you want to take time away from other hunters because they don't do things YOUR way.
Times change. Should we stop making and changing laws? Ah hell lets throw all the laws of the last 200 years out the window and go back to how things were 200 years ago. I sure am glad it's spring now. It is against the LAW to take a bath in the winter in Indiana! I'll bet my wife is glad too.
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Post by bounce on Mar 23, 2006 16:57:01 GMT -5
Could even ask the bow hunter's not to were anthing but their skin on the arm that holds the bow he,hehe Yes that was my FIRST attempet Hell No one tolled me!!! Kinda ruens it for you after that!! Still have that bow somewere?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 23, 2006 19:04:12 GMT -5
Jack's commenting to jabba's post. And Donnie, your post may very well be your "post of the year"  So... it's true? You admit you want a block of time, in the prime hunting weeks set aside for just you. Jabba, No I just want to be left reasonably alone to kill the first deer that walks by me. You can fit a boat load of archery hunters in a given number of acres and they won't bother eachother too much. With muzzleloaders, there are fewer people that can hunt the same piece of land without overcrowding it - you can shoot 50 yards instead of 25. Now with rifle season, there's even less numbers of people who can hunt the ground without overcrowding it...and it happens to be the season that sees the most hunters on it  I don't care if that muzzleloader season is in september and I don't care if it's in late January. The traditional muzzleloader hunters don't care about killing big deer. We can let the bow hunters and rifle hunters argue with eachother over who gets the prime couple weeks. They can have it. Here's a quote I expect to see quoted by other members in the next day or so During rifle season, a deer is equally likely to run in front of you as it is the next guy. It's very chaotic and the deer are very skiddish. Nonetheless, you stand a good chance at killing one if you can stick it out - with a rifle. Taking a iron sighted muzzleloader during rifle season is a waste of time. You see a deer escaping in the woods at 70 yards at a brisk trott, you can stand a good chance at killing him with a scoped rifle if you play your cards right. Any 70 yard shot with a iron sighted muzzleloader in a sitting down field position is a risky shot for most of us. We need a season more like archery - hunting the bed to food pattern. Taditional shooters will agree with me that traditional guns should be treated like they are actually archery equiptment. It's not "sit down in the woods were you can shoot the furthest" (like rifle season). It's "hunting this side of this particular ridge" It's all about ya'll wanting other people to be locked out of YOUR season. You don't want THEM to be allowed to hunt. States made muzzleloader season as an ALTERNATIVE to rifle season. In certain states you couldn't hunt both seasons, you had to choose. Naw, it's all about you wanting to be locked into OUR season.   Oh, that was sweet ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by jabba on Mar 24, 2006 7:14:02 GMT -5
I'll go for allowing primitive weapons for a portion of what is now archery season. Archery season is 6 weeks long here. Lets give 2 weeks of that to the primitive arms guys. Lets define primitive arms.
Flintlock only? Matchlock only? No minnie balls, only patched round balls? Only home built guns, no mass produced ones?
I really WOULD be cool with that.
The laws change. You guys got steam rolled. I agree. But you got steam rolled by a lot bigger group. In that respect democracy sucks. But what you're asking for now... is to take away from the big group that feels as entitled to their hunt as you do to yours. Is the fact that you were there first reason to take the other season away? If it is... we better all be ready to give the USA back to the Indians.
Should we put our combined energy into lobbying for a NEW PRIMITIVE only season? The fact that you once had one, might help you get another one, written in a more legal tight manner.
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Post by bounce on Mar 24, 2006 8:29:56 GMT -5
Jabba We lost Just like the Indians, But like an Indian I woun't forget and it is much the same as a waist high prairy fire, You remind me of the lawyers now in the joke post.
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Post by deputydon on Mar 24, 2006 9:01:17 GMT -5
In that respect democracy sucks. But what you're asking for now... is to take away from the big group that feels as entitled to their hunt as you do to yours. Is the fact that you were there first reason to take the other season away? If it is... we better all be ready to give the USA back to the Indians. Should we put our combined energy into lobbying for a NEW PRIMITIVE only season? The fact that you once had one, might help you get another one, written in a more legal tight manner. Jabba Living ON a rez. I think I'm qualified to speak on this..... If we (the ML'ers) got ALL the rights, the gov't consideration, the ........I don't want to get started. If we were treated the same as the indians you wouldn't be hunting during MLing season w/ your in-line soooooooo don't go there. |
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Post by twomoons on Mar 24, 2006 9:46:26 GMT -5
Hell Jabba,
Shoot a catridge gun if you want! I don't care if you hunt with or shoot an inline as long as I don't have to watch. As I quote from a Knight Ad,"For the man who doesn't want the problems associated with a traditional rifle, and wants to hunt and extra season". If that is all yo want so be it. I want the challenge of doing it like it was done 200 years ago so I shoot a flinter, I have to sneak up to under 100 yards and I have to watch my pan and keep my powder dry. If that's not your thing De Gustibus and maybe we'll eet at a Cowboy shoot or a highpower match.
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Post by jimiowa on Mar 24, 2006 11:13:52 GMT -5
;D Danged if I don`t have to add another one to the list! Religion, Politics & inline vs Traditional are subjects people are so passionate about it causes disagreement.
I really have no opinion on this issue.
Now, the more I learn the more I have discovered that very little new is not an adaption on something that was tried many years ago.
So for those of you who have delved into the history more. I can hardly believe that some cap & ball smith of the 1800`s did not at least experiment with in-line ignition? If that could be proven would an inline be a Traditional?
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Post by jabba on Mar 24, 2006 12:29:04 GMT -5
They DID have inline underhammer guns way back then.
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Post by twomoons on Mar 24, 2006 14:37:41 GMT -5
They had inline flintlocks! And if you want to build one I have the plans. They did not however look anything like what you shoot now. Bounce has an inline M/L bb gun that was made in the 1860's. I have plans for 10 different underhammer and semi inline guns made from 1850 to 1880 and if anyone wants to switch from a bolt action waterproof sabot shootin thing to an authentic muzzleloader I will be happy to help in any way I can. By the way I shoot a long bow and also hold the opinion that anyone who can't pull a real bow needs male hormone shots. After my shoulder injury I quit bow hunting because i would not under any circumstance shoot a wheelie bow.
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Post by deputydon on Mar 24, 2006 15:51:00 GMT -5
You HAD to bring up "that" injury..............I'm sorry 'bout that really I am!!!! I was just trying to save your a$$
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Post by dakota on Mar 24, 2006 17:21:12 GMT -5
Actually I would be interested in a flintlock. I suppose I would prefer a kit more than anything else. I have lost interest in major shaping of stocks and I sold most of my heavy equipment (lathe, drill press, and such).
I am not sure what caliber I would desire most. However, since I have a percussion cap .54, I might go that way. Another thought would be to have it .36 for squirrles and rabbits.
If I were to build a kit flintlock I would surely want the twist to be appropriate for ball. I have experienced seeing how deer respond to a 54 ball. I don't think anything more lethal is needed.
I went to a renedevous in Montana last year, it was enlightening. I would like to shoot a match informally with other people who love muzzle loaders.
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Post by bounce on Mar 24, 2006 19:56:48 GMT -5
dakota, our spring shoot for the U.M.M.L is the last weekend of April [ I will doubbel check on the date?] It is at O'Neil NE. about 140 miles west of Sioux City IA. or 45? minet drive south of the South Dakota border near Fort Randell Dam, You & all Pimitive minded are most wellcome!!!! Two Moon's May even have a spare flintlock with the sights bent just for loaning out?
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