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Post by jabba on Mar 22, 2006 6:23:32 GMT -5
Well, I use my inline (Notice I didn't say muzzleloader even though I wanted to) during the firearms season here too. I have never killed a deer with a centerfire rifle, nor a shotgun. Only my INLINE and a .44 Mag pistol.
Do I get a brownie point for that at all?
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Post by Bill on Mar 22, 2006 8:43:56 GMT -5
Hmm Brownie points  Does Browning make inlines.  Donnie, I think these guys are doing just fine without me stirring the pot any. I think I will just leave it alone. By the way Jabba, all the years I hunted with a ML I got a deer every year too.  But I used a Traditional to do that one. Do I get any of them there points too.  |
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Post by deputydon on Mar 22, 2006 8:55:50 GMT -5
Yes I would be very happy then Jabba! Now for the reversal, How about we let people with single shot 30-06 rifles hunt during the inline season? They too would have no missfires, also very few misses out to around 400 yards which is about double your range and it would be the best tool for the job, If killing deer is your sole reason you hunt. The argument you will get from most traditional hunters is that for us it is not just another season to go kill yet more deer proving that we are hunters to others around us. Hell yes Jabba go buy a reproduction traditional gun! No-one among us is gonna give ya crap for owning a CVA. As for the statement that the rules are ours; When many muzzle loading seasons were set up it was intended to be a primitive hunt. My thought is that most inline shooters would switch to the single shot .30-06 if they were allowed the opportunity! They are only looking for the easiest weapon to opporate with as little work as possible that will kill deer in the easiest way possible. I don't mind if there is a sepperate season for inlines either but why don't we just let everyone hunt with inlines during the archery season too? I bet you could go out and get ya another deer! WOW!! think of the opportunities!!! So why don't you admit that you just wanna kill deer and have no other interest in hunting. I mean no hard feelings here either Jabba just trying to help you see our side of the equasion! I couldn't have said it better!!!! Good job Donnie!!! |
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Post by deputydon on Mar 22, 2006 9:00:29 GMT -5
Now for the reversal, How about we let people with single shot 30-06 rifles hunt during the inline season? GRIN ;D ;D ;D Ok Jabba, you know me and you know I'll answer your questions straight (until you back me in the corner and then I'll try to BS my way out of it by changing the subject and asking you questions...) 1. A season for ourselves? Sure, that's what we want. We want it the way it used to be. You have a choice a. hunt with modern rifles with the masses b. hunt with an "inferior" gun (god help me b/c I'm going to get flamed by my own caplock crowd here) but in a more natural setting. 2. If the state made inlines, scopes, glowsites, and synthetic stocks illegal - I would not be mad if everyone up and decided to buy a woodstocked caplock. I'd be annoyed as hell with those people (b/c as donnie said they're finding an excuse just to go out and kill some more, but they are following the rules. Muzzleloader season should be an alternative to rifle season - not an extention of. If you want a rifle tag, you buy a rifle tag and hunt your two weeks. If you want a muzzleloader tag, you hunt your two weeks (or four weeks but you gotta use your muzzleloader during rifle season too) on your blackpowder tag. 3. How to exclude the masses? Very simple, I believe the masses are full of idiots. After a few years they'll realize a real caplock gun is too big of a pain for them to handle. They'll quit and watch football. Jesus, did the aliens get the real Red? Red I'm going ta have to say this might be "the post of the year for you"!!!!!! I really couldn;t have said it better!!!!!! |
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Post by jabba on Mar 22, 2006 12:59:06 GMT -5
All the while... the states (Indiana is anyway) are screaming to kill more deer kill more deer, KILL MORE DEER!
So what we would need to do if we make the muzzleloader season a PRIMITIVE arms season, is to lengthen the regular firearms season from 3 weekends to 5 or 6 weekends to allow for the herd reduction that the DNR is looking for?
So now... can we have the primitive arms season in January? Indiana has Bow season from Oct 1 to the middle ov Nov. Then 16 days of firearms season, 5 days NO season, and another 16 days of muzzleloader season.
Would it be reasonable to have the primitive season AFTER the others?
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Post by bounce on Mar 22, 2006 13:57:02 GMT -5
Shure You may even have it nearly all to your self? just wishing for you jabba!! and if to many deer are left they may give you a limit of 10 or what ever fills all your frezzer space? Best get that CVA on order..smiles
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Post by dakota on Mar 22, 2006 18:43:31 GMT -5
I would like to see GFP's split the season into three periods. A different license for each period. If deer need to be harvested and there are too many hunters, split the seasons up. Seasons could be split into Archery, Muzzle loading, high power (try 3 different times here), youth, etc. or someother split would be OK too.
If a person wants to shoot deer (the more the merrier) let them have more high power seasons. Another example of how to get more deer harvested a GFP could do something like SD. In SD if you don't fill in the fall your license turns into a doe license for the following January -- at least for some of the areas.
When I hunted Utah, I tried public areas and made a run for it when people started shooting at me -- I heard one yelling I had a sound shot -- right after a bullet hit a rock close to me. I didn't like that much.
Too many deer and too many hunters, a person would think that a little more creativity could be used.
What is the purpose of creating specialty weapons just so a person can hunt in more seasons. Rifled shotgun barrels, in-line black powder shooters, S&W 500 (and the like), Contenders in 45-70 caliber.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 22, 2006 21:24:35 GMT -5
So what we would need to do if we make the muzzleloader season a PRIMITIVE arms season, is to lengthen the regular firearms season from 3 weekends to 5 or 6 weekends to allow for the herd reduction that the DNR is looking for? Why thank you DD, I sometimes suprise myself  Ah, the big problem - too many deer. Missouri used to have that problem 5 years ago so the conservation deptartment came up with unlimited doe tags. Oh it worked. It worked so good up north that there's no deer there anymore  They shot the crap out of them  and now hunters are moving out of that region. 5-6 weekends of rifle season - that would be a total disaster in 5 years. I've seen it happen and people don't stop shooting until every last deer in that bunch is dead or until the whole party runs out of bullets.  What I don't understand is why your bow season is so short jabba. They need to reopen the season up as soon as inline season opens and take bow season to the end of january. Opps, forgive me - I meant to say muzzleloader season (but I could of went back and deleted my words so I'm just being an ass  ) I don't know if it's worth opening up another primitive season for muzzleloaders in late december and january. It's not going to help reduce the herd b/c it's so cold most people aren't going to want to fool with it even if they had a tag left. |
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Post by jabba on Mar 23, 2006 7:20:58 GMT -5
The bow season DOES reopen with the Muzzleloader season and runs thru like... the middle of January, but there are not many deer killed then.
So... it's true? You admit you want a block of time, in the prime hunting weeks set aside for just you. All the thousands of guys that spent the pennies they saved on a cheap inline muzzleloader to hunt the extended season should all bugger off. "I want the woods emptied out so I can hunt and not be bothered."
Sounds a lot like a chior warming up to me...
"Mi, mi, mi, mi. (Me, me, me, me)
Lets face it... the herds have changed a lot. 20-30 years ago when ya'll lobbied for the primative season, it really was an extension to the regular season. The deer were fewer, and you had to work harder to find them. Now, they are rampant. At least they are here.
Sure... I killed 6 deer this year. They were all does. I passed on 4 bucks, and I have no idea how many does. 10 at least. I gave 3 of my deer to hunting buddies that needed the meat. I butchered 3 for myself.
We have no RIFLE season here. Shotguns, handguns and muzzleloaders. Scoped inlines... are legal, and I guess you can call that rifle if you want.
No one is stopping you guys from using your chosen tool during the season. It's all about ya'll wanting other people to be locked out of YOUR season. You don't want THEM to be allowed to hunt. You want the woods to yourself for a while.
We all WANT that. But the fact is there is only a short block of time for everyone to hunt, and they are trying to get us to harvest a lot of deer. If you take a big block of prime deer hunting season, and limit it to 10% of the hunters, the harvest will drop way off ans we'll get overpopulated herds. And with CWD creeping around.. I don't want that.
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Post by bounce on Mar 23, 2006 7:31:56 GMT -5
Your mind see's much differantly than mine all I see for me,me,me is you and perhapps Red.
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Post by Bill on Mar 23, 2006 10:07:27 GMT -5
Whats really funny is Wyoming. If you thru all the regs for both inline and ML and single shot cartridge rifles in existance and put them in a bucket and mixed them all up I think you would have Wyomings laws on the ML seasons. From what they tell me, just about any single shot rifle shooting black powder is legal. I have tried to figure out the rules and finally gave up and asked someone that hunts there durring the blackpowder season. Thats what I was told. Maybe one of you guys can figure it out better than I did but what it sounds like is the .45-70 Sharps is just as legal as the .40 cal ML Who would of thunk it. |
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Post by jimh on Mar 23, 2006 10:25:32 GMT -5
So what we would need to do if we make the muzzleloader season a PRIMITIVE arms season, is to lengthen the regular firearms season from 3 weekends to 5 or 6 weekends to allow for the herd reduction that the DNR is looking for? Why thank you DD, I sometimes suprise myself Ah, the big problem - too many deer. Missouri used to have that problem 5 years ago so the conservation deptartment came up with unlimited doe tags. Oh it worked. It worked so good up north that there's no deer there anymore They shot the crap out of them and now hunters are moving out of that region. 5-6 weekends of rifle season - that would be a total disaster in 5 years. I've seen it happen and people don't stop shooting until every last deer in that bunch is dead or until the whole party runs out of bullets. What I don't understand is why your bow season is so short jabba. They need to reopen the season up as soon as inline season opens and take bow season to the end of january. Opps, forgive me - I meant to say muzzleloader season (but I could of went back and deleted my words so I'm just being an ass ) I don't know if it's worth opening up another primitive season for muzzleloaders in late december and january. It's not going to help reduce the herd b/c it's so cold most people aren't going to want to fool with it even if they had a tag left. RED, i see more friggen deer up north i don't know what to do sometimes. last numbers i read had the deer populations still up. in fact they put the 4 pt rule into effect because folks still weren't shooting the does. well that and the mdc finaly gave in to the wall hanger crowd. |
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Post by donnie on Mar 23, 2006 11:24:30 GMT -5
Jabba,
I don't think you are seeing the point here. I'm not asking for the woods to be devoid of other hunters. In fact I tend to welcome other hunters that are shooting traditional guns. What I do not like are the hoards of morons carrying the new improved .45 pellet loaded, ballistic tip loaded, 3-9x50 mm scope wearing KnightThompsonEZkill rifles. These guys put absolutely nothing into the sport. They go to walmart, buy 50 grain premessured pellets the newest bullet that some yahoo on TV said works, and head out to the woods to go kill another deer. By your own admission it is only another opportunity to kill deer more efficiently.
Even if you hunted during your states shotgun only season you would very likely be carrying a gun that is more accurate at greater ranges than that of your compatriates.
Red is absolutely correct if inline shooters had to shoot traditional guns 99% of them would give it up! (way more involvement than they are willing to commit, "what! I have to work up a load?")
To the traditionalist, hunting and killing are not wed as tightly! AND THAT IS A STATEMENT THAT I WILL GUARANTEE YOU! I am so freakin sick of all the deer hunting shows that show a dilrod with a scoped gun sitting in a heated blind assasinating a deer as it comes to a feeder that I could puke! Boy that guy is a hell of a hunter! I remember talking to an author and well known fisherman when I was with cabelas He related what he says is the progression of the fisherman..
1st: I want to catch a fish
2nd: Iwant to catch a lot of fish
3rd: I want to catch a big fish
4th I want to catch a specific fish
Finally, I want to fish using this method regardless of catch rate.
Aesthetics man! I choose to hunt with a traditional gun because I enjoy the romance of a beautiful rifle that binds me so tightly to history. I could absolutely not care less if I shoot a deer. I am hunting with a rifle that would have been at home in the woods 200+ years ago.
I haven't got a pair of buckskins yet but odds are I probably will.
Jabba I don't care if you hunt with your inline rifle, I want for you to be out there! The problem I have is that inline "muzzle loaders" by virtue of making it easy to kill deer at extended ranges while putting as little effort into the process as possible appeals to the guy that only wants another chance to kill more deer while remaining as far removed from the act of hunting as possible. I have talked to so many people who bought inlines that comment that the reason they are buying an inline is because it is easy! They don't have to measure powder, they don't have to learn to shoot well because they can rely on the scope, it is only to them another chance to kill deer.
Deer hunting has become just like bass fishing way too crowded by technology! Everyone wants everything in life to be so easy! For the most part deer hunting has become an embarrassment to those folks that hunt for the act of hunting.
I pose one question to you; What is the differance between your inline and bounces' single shot H&R .30-30? The only differance I see is that his gun contains powder and bullet inside a brass cartridge! Its range is no greater than your inline, Its accuracy no greater. It does load just a bit faster but not by all that much.
So why don't we just go ahead give you guys with your inline rifles your own season, let you hunt that way for a few seasons and then include single shot centerfire rifles in your season?
I bet you drop your inline faster than crap runs through a goose and run to the nearest gun shop with your bag of pennies to buy an easier "tool"
Lets be honest here, You are only looking for the best way to easily kill deer with minimal effort or investment of time!
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Post by Jack on Mar 23, 2006 11:38:09 GMT -5
"So... it's true? You admit you want a block of time, in the prime hunting weeks set aside for just you. "
You mean, like archery hunters?
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Post by donnie on Mar 23, 2006 11:51:22 GMT -5
WHAT??? How the hell did you get that? Did you read my post? |
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Does Browning make inlines. 
But I used a Traditional to do that one. Do I get any of them there points too. 
They shot the crap out of them 
and now hunters are moving out of that region. 
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