Rem R15

[Bubba]

The Remington R15 is the new "blackGun" hunting rifle. It comes in .308, .243 and 7mm.08... I wrote Remington with this question, " Is there any plans in the works to make the R15 in 30-06?

This is their answer, "Thank you for your interest in our R15. We have received several suggestions similar to yours and appreciate you taking the time to write in. We routinely forward all suggestions to our marketing departments for review; however, we do not have plans in the immediate future to put this in .30-06. Consumer feedback allows us to understand consumer perception of our products. The greater the number of suggestions for a particular issue, the greater the likelihood of implementing the suggestion."

To me the last sentence says if you get more people to write in asking for a 30-06 caliber R15, the greater the chance they will produce it. Does anyone else see that or is it just me?

[Jack]

I see what you're saying, Bubba.
However, to fit the longer 30-06 in the R15, they'd have to design and build a whole new receiver. I don't see that happening real soon.

[bounce]

Don't think it will get pass .308 myself

[jmarriott]

I believe they have a 30 AR package,The action only fits 308 rounds ao since no one makes the ar style in long action there must be a reason.
Browning still makes the BAR in 30-06. it is no black rifle but for a 30-06 auto it is a sweet piece.

[Bill]

Never seen a need for more than the .308. If they did anything I would like to see them upgrade to the piston system rather than the gas system their using.
I shoot a ton of .308 anymore and handloaded it can run with the big dog without much problem at all. Light recoil, great ballistics's and accurate. Prairie Dogs at 900 plus does not seem to be a problem and deer (if I ever get the time to do it ) I do not think would be a problem either.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the .30-06 but with the availability of cheap LC brass (free) it makes it really hard for me to ever want a .30-06. A couple years ago I had a rifle come through that was built by Gre-Tan Rifles that a guy had Greg build for him and I know he spent over or right at $4000 for and sold it for about $1000 and had not even fired it. and IF I would of had the money at the time I would of owned that gun. It was in .30-06 and IF I would of had the wherewithall to purchase it at the time I would probably be saying the same thing about the .30-06. Why would I need a .308 if I had a .30-06. ;D
Both are great calibers but if you have one you really don't need the other.

[jimiowa]

As Jack & J Marriott pointed out, the R15 is not built to take a cartridge as long as the 06. So I doubt it will happen.

I just read a magazine article, on the R15 in AR30 and it's use on Antelope. While the R15 style does not interest me, The Ar 30 cartridge is very simular to many of the wildcat cartridges used in Hunter Benchrest Competetion. I think it would make up into a really nice light 300 yd Deer and Antelope rifle, with exceptional accuracy. The Factory Case availability would be a big plus.

Back to the HBR cartriges, most are variations on the 300 Savage and .308 winchester cases shortened and blown out to give a sharper sholder and are shooting anywhere from 118 grn-150 grn bullets.
One Nationally recognized shooter from Sioux Falls S.D is shooting a .308 shortened to 1.8" with no sholder mods.

[Purebred Redneck]

Oct 6, 2010 8:13:14 GMT -5 jimiowa said:

As Jack & J Marriott pointed out, the R15 is not built to take a cartridge as long as the 06. So I doubt it will happen.

I'm going to disagree


Assult weapons (I use that term deleberatly and spitefully) in the hands of sportsmen is the way of the future. 100 years from now there won't be hardly any lever action guns in the woods and only a minimal number of bolt action rifles. If you're going to be shooting a very traditional rifle, it's only because that's the way your were raised. And when you look at the newest generation 9-12 years old, it's very clear they are falling in love with these damn AR's because it's going to be all they are raised on for the most part. So do we care to guess what their children will be shooting? Yep...AR's.


Some will argue against this, but you can't shoot everything on the planet with a short action cartridge. Gun makers are going to have to develop an AR look-a-like / based gun that will shoot 270, 3006, 7mag, 300winman, 338winmag, and perhaps even the 375hh though that's certainly a stretch.

Remington's parent company may very well be developing this new gun and has been for a while now.
And gun makers are going to deny this like crazy if they are smart. They want to keep this secret for as long as possible so there's is the first on the market. And you can bet someone else is doing the same thing.


Bubba, I think we're within a few years from someone making what you are asking about.

[Bubba]

I tend to agree with Red here. The developement of a new, longer reciever and bolt would open the doors to a multitude of new calibers available in the AR platform.

This does and will not go without its drawbacks. There are some large hunting states where auto loading firearms are illegal to use on big game. I recon those states would just do without the newest technology.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback. It's always good to see we have a wide point of view when it comes to different subjects.

[jimiowa]

I was not intending to say the AR is not a fine format and agree while I'm still stuck (and probalby always will be) with The O'Connor/Keith Classic concept of what a Hunting rifle should be and look like the autoloader will eventually be seen in the field more.

I was only pointing out, that the AR based rifles will only accomodate a cartridge 2.6" long overall and would require a complete redesign to accomodate longer cartridges.

In the meantime the Classic BAR would be the way to go if you want a long action cartridge?

[Purebred Redneck]

Oct 7, 2010 12:52:38 GMT -5 jimiowa said:

In the meantime the Classic BAR would be the way to go if you want a long action cartridge?

Only if you have $1000 to spend

Remington still makes theirs in the 243, 308, 270, 30-06, and 35whelen.
I'm not sure how much fuel it has in the tank though. I'm guessing there is a big markup margin and that's the only reason they are still in production.

[bounce]

Seems I remeber some cool & mean looking shortend M-14's For sale?

[jimiowa]

Oct 7, 2010 17:44:10 GMT -5 Purebred Redneck said:

Oct 7, 2010 12:52:38 GMT -5 jimiowa said:

In the meantime the Classic BAR would be the way to go if you want a long action cartridge?

Only if you have $1000 to spend

Remington still makes theirs in the 243, 308, 270, 30-06, and 35whelen.
I'm not sure how much fuel it has in the tank though. I'm guessing there is a big markup margin and that's the only reason they are still in production.

Red I thought the price would be comparable between the R15 & the BAR.
I found this paragraph in a review I found on the net.

BOTTOM LINE: The Remington R-15 should be a real keeper for a hunter particularly. While I'm not anything close to being anything that could be considered a hunter, I love to shoot and I especially love shooting this gun. With .223 ammo back on the shelf at bargain prices and a versatile, high quality, accurate gun, this gun hits rifle heaven. The Remington R-15 is not cheap, but is r easonably priced at major retailers at around $1100. Adding the scope adds about $300.Considering the quality and fun and the cheap ammo, if you can spring for the initial cost, you'll have a winner with this gun.

[jmarriott]

PSSSS>>>> it is just a bushmaster in camo clothing and REM logos...... Save yourself about 300-400 and get the bushmaster in OD green.

[dovehunter]

$1100 for that thing is "reasonably priced"? I could get a really nice bolt action real hunting rifle for the same amount. Oh well, whatever floats your boat.

[Purebred Redneck]

$1100

$1100


I could buy 3 really nice bolt actions !


I do agree the "off brands" can be had for substantially less. I don't read a lot about them but what little I do 600-700 sounds about right.


This probably should have been mentioned in my prevouis post:
It used to be the shooting range was meant to be used for 1 reason --- to ensure your gun was sighted in for whatever it was you used your gun for. Today that has changed. Today, range shooting is a sport / hobby in and of itself. It seems accuracy has been thrown aside and what is important now is how fast you can throw as many rounds downrange as possible.
I was hoping the recession and ammo shortage would keep people at home but as my dad so famously said "if someone is down to their last 20 dollars, they're going to blow it all on beer and bullets"