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Post by jimiowa on Aug 10, 2009 8:27:01 GMT -5
I kind of think it has a lot to do with how you hunt what. 4.10 is a fine rabbit, squirrel gun and will do well for Pheasant & quail if you hunt over dogs. When I hunt Pheasant it's jump shooting, and they can get up 15-20 yds out, so I agree that when half your effective range is gone before they clear the weeds the 4.10 can be a handicap to all but the best shooters.
Red Asks what a 4.10 can do that a 20ga won't do better, I too took that argument for many years and have to admit light field loads will cover the bottom end well and the heavy and 3" loads lap over the 16 ga. and go to all but the super mag 12ga loads. So have no problem with someone choosing a 20 for all shooting.
I have 20ga & a 12ga(Oh I do have Dad's 4.10 in the closet and need to take it back to him) and since I'm really not a shotgunner(prefer rifles) I doubt that I would ever buy another shotgun. If I were to it would be a light 28 or 20ga.
All that being said, arguing with someone about their choice, will acomplish little unless you just want to piss someone off. ;D
On a side note, while it's not legal in Iowa, I still don't see why headshooting pheasants at 50 yds with a .22 is not just as sporting as throwing 1 1/2 oz of shot at them in the air?
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Post by jabba on Aug 10, 2009 13:01:34 GMT -5
Shooting birds on the ground... we call that Arkansasing them.
I like my 16 ga ithaca featherlight. It's built on a 20 chassis, with the punch of 16. That's my upland gun of choice.
I'd like to have a 20 ga O/U but I can't get off the $$$. I am a tight ass and I know it.
Jabba
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Post by twomoons on Aug 10, 2009 15:01:30 GMT -5
My father in law shot a 16 Ga Ithaca all his life and swore there was no other gauge to compare, the weight of a 20 and the punch of a 12.
Now for the most usless gun... the one you don't shoot! There is NOTHING worse than a safe queen!
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Aug 10, 2009 19:57:12 GMT -5
Used to let the doves land on the ground and I'd shoot them ;D
DH, let me ask you this: the 16ga
Do you like it because it's a good compromise between distance and tearing them up OR because a 16 is lighter to carry around? I guess my real question is --- would you rather have a 12ga or a 16ga that's built on a 12ga frame like some companies do?
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Post by dovehunter on Aug 11, 2009 19:33:27 GMT -5
My 16 ga. guns - two SxS doubles & pump - are all lighter than my comparable 12 ga. guns and I can make shots that are just as long. I shoot 1-1/8 oz. of no. 7-1/2 shot in both my 12s and my 16s. Why carry around an extra pound or two of gun in the (at least around here) typical 90-95 degree early to mid-September weather. Whenever I hear someone knocking a 16 ga. it immediately tells me they have never used one. Bottom line: after approximately 50 years of shooting mostly shotguns of all gauges, actions, and sizes I do contend that the 16 ga. hits like a 12 and (most of them) carry like a 20.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Aug 12, 2009 21:51:18 GMT -5
I hope I didn't imply that I didn't like the 16ga. I was just curouis as to which of the reasons you liked it.
I'd buy one, but it's so hard to find shells for it. You can get the high brass around here fairly easy (buying a half dozen boxes at a time would probably be a smart idea) but no one has them in the low brass.
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Post by dovehunter on Aug 13, 2009 7:40:44 GMT -5
...I'd buy one, but it's so hard to find shells for it. You can get the high brass around here fairly easy (buying a half dozen boxes at a time would probably be a smart idea) but no one has them in the low brass. That's the down-side to shooting a 16. When you can find shells at all they are high-priced and/or high brass or something else you don't need or want. I am just hoping that my case's worth of 16 ga. hulls will last a long time before I have to start replacing them. The other day I was either at Bass Pro Shop or Gander Mountain, don't remember which, and they had Winchester 1-1/8 factory loads of no. 8 shot for (and I wish I had been sitting down at the time) $18 per box! I almost had heart failure!!!
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Post by klsm54 on Aug 13, 2009 12:25:45 GMT -5
I think that guys who worry about ammo prices should stick to 12's and 20 gauges. 10 gauge, 16, 28, and .410 ammo is not for your typical Bucket o' Bullet guy.... ;D
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Post by twomoons on Aug 13, 2009 12:42:18 GMT -5
When my Father in Law died I inherited a bucket of empties, all his relaoding stuff and a case of loaded rounds so I am pretty well set. I haven't bought 16's in 5 years. For 410 I load 444 marlinbrass as 410's and since i made my own wad punch they cost almost nothing too. My only 410 is a M95 steyr that has been converted and the kids will shoot it a little but mostly it is for possums and skunks in the garage.
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Post by dovehunter on Aug 13, 2009 12:55:17 GMT -5
I think that guys who worry about ammo prices should stick to 12's and 20 gauges. 10 gauge, 16, 28, and .410 ammo is not for your typical Bucket o' Bullet guy.... ;D I don't "worry about ammo prices" Scott, but that's a pretty high price in anyone's book. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who has unlimited resources. Unfortunatley, and particularly now that I am retired, I don't!!! If necessary, I will bite the bullet if and when I have to, as the price of the original shells will be more than amortized over the life of the hulls.
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