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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jul 13, 2009 22:30:54 GMT -5
Time to shake things up a bit ;D
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Post by klsm54 on Jul 13, 2009 22:38:50 GMT -5
You already knew how I'd vote.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jul 13, 2009 23:35:30 GMT -5
You knew what I voted for in advance too About as usefull as a bb gun
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Post by dovehunter on Jul 13, 2009 23:55:12 GMT -5
You probably know how I voted on this one too, as I have often said on this very board that a .410 might make a good tomato stake, but is of little use for anything else.
However, thinking about the 10 ga., with the advent of the latest souped-up 12 ga. 3" and 3-1/2" magnum loads, I can't see a lot of use for it either other than as maybe a barbell.
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Post by jabba on Jul 14, 2009 7:53:47 GMT -5
I have a little single shot .410 that I like to use when I go to the put and take pheasant reserves. I go to work the dog...as we don't have many wild pheasants in indiana. the .410 makes it fun.
I also use the .410 to kill pigeons that I use for dog training. Sometimes I get them when they are young... and they imprint on my house as home. If when released... they don't go back where I caught them... they get .410'd.
Jabba
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Post by jimiowa on Jul 14, 2009 8:00:57 GMT -5
They both have their place!! I don't use either. The 4.10 is one sweet rabbit & squirrel gun (though I've said it's criminal to shotgun squirrels). For birds it's more of an experts gun but very effective in the hands of some.
I think of the 10ga as the standard for waterfowl, that has been displaced by the Long Mag 12's, but the bigger bore is better in my opinion. The Long 12's have both the overkill & recoil, the 10ga had.
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Post by Jack on Jul 14, 2009 8:59:58 GMT -5
I voted 'both are useless', although I think useless is a bit strong. The 10 gauge has been overshadowed by the 3 1/2 inch 12. At least in theory, the 10 should pattern better because the shot column isn't as long, but, I'm of the opinion that both are reaching the point of too much of a good thing. If a 3 inch 12 gauge won't kill something, wait until it gets closer! Another major problem with both the 10, and 3 1/2 inch 12, in my opinion, is that the platform for them has to be so long and heavy as to make the guns handle poorly, too. The .410 is probably an expert's gun. Too often, it's seen as a kid's gun, and some poor kid just starting out has to try and hit with a pretty meager amount of shot. Low recoil? Yes. The 28, or even a lightly loaded 20, is a whole bunch more gun. Some .410 shotguns are great handling packages, and that's appealing, but I'd much prefer a 28.
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Post by jmarriott on Jul 14, 2009 9:27:25 GMT -5
My only current 410 shotgun is a nice pistol grip model 500 pump Mossberg.(My only Mossberg) I think it was a backpacker model or trail model and it was purchased as a tractor/combine gun. It is in ok shape with the normal bangs and stuff from just beating around in the cab of the combine. It does well when shooting down at rabbits from above. It is ok for close quarters tree rats but maybe most impressive is a load of 3 41 cal round balls in 3 inch load like 3 little slugs multiply by 6 total rounds and that becomes 18 41 cal slugs. Mine has the single action bar and pumping is not smooth that is why I have not bought other moss burgs.
Deadly little sucker up close and personal. Little defensive masterpiece it becomes young sky walker.
I have always wanted 410's but always looked at them a garden/orchard/tractor guns and not field pieces unless you have the savage 24 with a rim fire round first. If you miss with the rifle you get a shot at the running rat with a 410. For me a running 410 shot on a tree rat is sporting.
I am not a small person but loads from my 3 inch 12 guage are enough for me.
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Post by bounce on Jul 14, 2009 10:53:10 GMT -5
I like them both a lot, the 10ga is way better than a 3-1/2 12 ga. It is a special goose or duck gun or an outstanding dog killer Not good for trap shooting though. And a mite much for upland birds, but excelent defence gun. The .410 what can I say other than I just love to hunt with them, hell I own 4 I like them so much.
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Post by twomoons on Jul 14, 2009 13:28:02 GMT -5
Who can afford shells for either one? 10 Ga shells are house mortgage spendy and 410's are twice the cost of 12's. BUT... I have been shooting a Judge for the past week and the 410 shines there as a pest snake and camping gun.
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Post by jmarriott on Jul 15, 2009 15:38:03 GMT -5
Twomoons.
Have you tried the 3 slug 410 in the judge for 2 legged game use? Would be pretty cool at the range to fire a cylinder and walk someone to the target and see all the holes.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jul 15, 2009 20:19:36 GMT -5
Gunblast did a nice piece on it (actually a couple times).
I believe the findings where that game loads were effective at car jacking range, buckshot was good out to 20 foot or so, and 45 lc hit paper at 25 yards.
I emailed Jeff Quinn about the 6" group from the 45lc at 25 and asked for clarification --- offhand or benchrest. Indeed the average groups from the 45lc at 25 yards were 6" benchrest. Not very good in my opinion considering the extra long cylinder essentially makes it the same sighting radius as a 4" revolver !!!
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2009 20:40:13 GMT -5
"the 410 shines there as a pest snake and camping gun. " Twomoons, I think you've hit on the best use for a .410, and oddly enough, it's in a handgun.
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Post by jimh on Jul 15, 2009 20:45:02 GMT -5
BUT... I have been shooting a Judge for the past week and the 410 shines there as a pest snake and camping gun. wouldn't a 44 mag with shot shells be just as good for snakes, 3 times as good with bullets and more affordable overall?
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Post by bounce on Jul 15, 2009 20:50:11 GMT -5
jimh, shhhhh, don't confuse them with pratical sence.....smiles
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