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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2009 22:47:04 GMT -5
The .410 hold more shot, I believe. Otherwise, a 44 would do just as well.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jul 15, 2009 23:00:06 GMT -5
I can't say that a 44mag is more affordable to shoot
The 44mag has 140 grains of #9 shot. 10 rounds for $15
The 410 2 1/2" shells has 218 grains of shot (whatever pellet size you want) and they go for less than $15 per 20 or 25.
So 44mag shotshells aren't going to work as well and cost double
Regular 44special rounds start at $30 per 50. The more common price is $40 for 50.
45lc's average price is $35 per 50
So it's the same price
Given the accuracy that Gunblast states of the 45lc Judge over longer distances, perhaps the 44mag is the better all around sporting choice.
At "Holy crap there's a snake range" you only have two choices
1. You get bit before you even know what's going on
2. You see the snake in plenty of time and could possibly get even closer for a shot at it
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Post by jimh on Jul 16, 2009 8:20:15 GMT -5
well i had no idea the 44 mag ammo was that expensive. all i knew was what the .410 shells cost me for the kids and i just shake my head. i guess what i was really getting at was if i had a 44 mag revolver i wouldn't pay the price for a .410 pistol too. i wouldn't mind a nice S&W or Colt wheel gun in 44 mag one day, or a Dan Wesson either for that matter.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jul 16, 2009 18:54:16 GMT -5
It was about the same price before the run up too
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Post by Bubba on Aug 8, 2009 17:56:56 GMT -5
Well, I was a little late on this one but I finally made it.... LOL ...
If any of you have ever had a flight of geese come in on you and you've taken (say) 3 shots at them with 3" 12ga and watched them bounce off and the geese fly happily away, you'll wish you had that 10 ga... I have a 10 ga Ithica Mag 10 autoloader that I use from time to time... I use it mainly when I know I'll be hunting in a place where there's mostly pass shooting as opposed to birds that will lock up and come into your stool of decoys.... It's got enough power to do the job and there's plenty of pellets in that 3 1/2" shell so the birds can hardly get away without getting stung... Around here a box of 10 ga steel shot goes for $30 to $35... depending on the brand and load ... I don't like shooting them and missing too much... it gets rather expensive.
The 410 has its uses too... I don't know what they are because I've only owed one in my life and when the rabbit I shot 3 times at kept running, I sold it... but I recon if you can get a rabbit sitting or a squirrel or close up, I think a 410 will dispatch them...
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Post by dovehunter on Aug 9, 2009 7:07:38 GMT -5
...The 410 has its uses too... I don't know what they are because I've only owed one in my life and when the rabbit I shot 3 times at kept running, I sold it... but I recon if you can get a rabbit sitting or a squirrel or close up, I think a 410 will dispatch them... That is exactly the point I was trying to make and why I voted for the .410 as being useless. |
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Post by bounce on Aug 9, 2009 8:04:59 GMT -5
"useless"  Once myself and several guys were walking out a corn field [unpicked] out east of Creighton for Pheasants, One of the guys next to me shot a coyote 14 rows over and dead on the spot. Not only that but he got his limit on birds 3 That said a 12ga. will do better for this hunting, but the .410 does well obvestly and is fun to use and carry as to a heavy 12ga. The .410 has all the power of a 12ga. just less shot, it's what you do with the shot you have that counts not the amout of shot. Your just trying to buy your self luck useing a 12ga. LOL. |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Aug 9, 2009 9:55:16 GMT -5
I can understand not wanting to haul a 12ga all across the county for 6 hours. That being said, I think a 410 is a handicap even more so than a 20 gauge. So the question has to be asked: What does a 410 bring to the table that a 20ga does not? I can't think of anything |
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Post by jmarriott on Aug 9, 2009 11:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by klsm54 on Aug 9, 2009 14:00:58 GMT -5
"Beware the man with one gun", as the old saying goes.
I knew two old-timers that owned just one shotgun. One had a Model 42 Winchester and killed a truckload of game with that sweet .410. He had Beagles and the 42 was his rabbit gun, the only one he had. He even took several turkeys with it.
The other, my neighbor, had one of those tube feed bolt actions, a Stevens I believe. He never had any problems killing rabbits or squirrels, and even ringnecks with it. I know he killed hundreds of rabbits with it. I will admit though, when turkeys started becoming plentiful, he did buy a 12 gauge, a Mossberg Bolt action.
Like bounce said, those pellets from a .410 are just as deadly as the pellets from a 12 gauge, just less of them. I guess if you measure the success of a days hunting strictly by the weight of your game pouch, the bigger gauges are probably a better choice. But a man who is familiar with a smaller gauge gun, and is a patient hunter, will never have a problem keeping his freezer full.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Aug 9, 2009 14:47:56 GMT -5
It must be a nice problem to have to go out and say "I'm going to intentially handicap myself so I don't limit out too quickly"  |
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Post by klsm54 on Aug 9, 2009 16:08:00 GMT -5
It must be a nice problem to have to go out and say "I'm going to intentially handicap myself so I don't limit out too quickly" It's not a problem, it's a joy to not concern one's self with bag limits. It is a joy to add more of a challenge to your hunt. It is a joy to not to be worn out from lugging a heavy gun, along with a sack full of ammo, from daylight until dark in quest of that last bird, or bunny, just to say..."I killed the limit." It is a joy to find the time to stop and enjoy all the beauty and wonder that surrounds you when you're in the outdoors. Some people reach that point in their hunting careers, while others will measure success by the amount of game bagged until the day they die. Me, I'd rather take one rabbit with a single shot .410, or one squirrel with a 22 handgun, than two truckloads of each with a 12 gauge autoloader. If I get in danger of running out of meat in my freezer, it's only about 4 miles to the meat market.... ;D |
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Post by bounce on Aug 9, 2009 17:00:54 GMT -5
klsm54 said it well, I have always liked a .410 and always will. I have not had a 28ga so very long but it is a wonderfull gun as well. I have nothing aganst a 20ga but almost never use one as then I will go on up to 16 and I truely love them for upland game and prefure a 16 over a 12 for upland game. very seldom hunt ducks or geese but think 12's and 10's are quite approrate for them 10 being the best, I know the 12ga & 20Ga are the mostpopular but I realy don't care let them think they have the addvantage LOL.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Aug 9, 2009 17:27:05 GMT -5
I've done that before - it's called hiking. And you don't even have to carry a heavy gun around all day ;D
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Post by dovehunter on Aug 10, 2009 7:13:40 GMT -5
On the issue of the usefulness/uselessness of the .410 I guess we'll all just have to agree to disagree and let it go at that. It's kind of like those taboo political issues. Those of you that like them will never be convinced otherwise. By the same token, those of us (like me) that hate them will never be convinced of their worth.  Bounce: I will surely agree with you about one thing: I too prefer the 16 ga. as an upland gun over either the 12 ga. or the 20 ga. My two 16 ga. SxS doubles are lighter (or as light) and handle better than any of our (between my son & I) comparable 20 ga. SxS guns. By the same token, loading my own shells, I use 1-1/8 oz. of 7-1/2 shot which seems to be most everyone's preference in a 12 ga. upland load. All that aside, I just like the 16 ga. About the only down side I have found is that it is devilishly hard to find shells and when you can they will be premium priced. I just hope that my current W-W hulls last me a long time. ;D |
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Once myself and several guys were walking out a corn field [unpicked] out east of Creighton for Pheasants, One of the guys next to me shot a coyote 14 rows over and dead on the spot. Not only that but he got his limit on birds 3
