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Post by sebastian on Jun 16, 2008 10:33:18 GMT -5
Guys, what do you think, in your opinion/experience...what is the acceptable (reasonable?) accuracy with bow, for instance at 10, 20, 30 and 40 yds? how many inches for 5 shots or so? Do you always hit what you want/expect to with bow?...I mean...do you shoot very consistently? Just wondering here... seb.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jun 16, 2008 10:49:51 GMT -5
5 arrows is too much to be shooting at 10 and 20 yards because groups will be that tight. At 10 yards they all should pretty much be touching eachother. At 20 yards they all should be about the size of a baseball, softball, or grapefruit (something 3-5 inches). At 30 yards (which is too long of a shot for the magority of hunters), you should have all shots on a paper plate. At 40 yards (which I would call "F-off distance"), I would say if you hit a 2 foot x 2 foot target 5 out of 5 shots it would be spectacular for average shooters. 1 meter x 1 meter would be more like it.
Most US hunters will not shoot past 25 yards (myself included) and they position themselves close along deer trails to ensure this. Really 15-20 yards is just about perfect - far enough where the game hopefully won't see you and close enough that it's a high percentage shot.
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Post by klsm54 on Jun 16, 2008 11:44:43 GMT -5
I always figured my maximum range to be the distance that I could hit, every time, within a 6" circle. For me that was 30 yards, with a compound a release, and lots of practice.
I always practiced at 40, in the off-season, but took my 40 yard pin off for hunting season.
I agree with Red, 10 yards you should about touch your arrows, 3"-4" at 20 yards.
Sebastian, can't you practice outside at your home? If you could even have a 20 yard target, being able to shoot 15-20 shots every day, maybe twice a day, would help you improve your shooting greatly. Archery shooting relies on muscle memory, consistency every shot. Frequent practice sessions, not to the point of fatigue, will really help you achieve that, at least it did for me.
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Post by sebastian on Jun 16, 2008 21:44:20 GMT -5
Thanks, Red & Scott.
I just found another forum yesterday (archerytalk.com), and asking about the same question. I was just surprised with some of the answers....
Scott, actually I can practice outside of my home if I want, but bow shooting is not so common in my area and would only make my neighbours/people to come & see....they might think that I am crazy or so......so I only practice push up, draw the bow & pretending to aim at this time being.
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Post by Bill on Jun 16, 2008 22:53:25 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Scott, actually I can practice outside of my home if I want, but bow shooting is not so common in my area and would only make my neighbours/people to come & see....they might think that I am crazy or so......so I only practice push up, draw the bow & pretending to aim at this time being.[/glow]I have thought that I had some neighbors like that at one time. When Two Moons lived next to me and he practiced throwing the tomahawk. Talked me into doing it too and I got to practicing at further and further distances till I was able to stick it pretty regularly at 60' Belive me, the neighbors didn't come out of house let alone come out to watch me. ;D ;D ;D ;D Try to stick a hawk in a wet cottonwood back stop and its like trying to stick it in rubber. Neighbors flee
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jun 17, 2008 8:25:22 GMT -5
I just found another forum yesterday (archerytalk.com), and asking about the same question. I was just surprised with some of the answers.... Let me guess: the vast majority over there can have all 5 arrows touching at 70 yards. Yeah it's amazing what the combination of Matthews bows and lies will do.
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Post by Jack on Jun 17, 2008 9:48:36 GMT -5
"Let me guess: the vast majority over there can have all 5 arrows touching at 70 yards. Yeah it's amazing what the combination of Matthews bows and lies will do." A lot like how all the rifles on the internet shoot sub 1 inch groups....
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Post by jimiowa on Jun 17, 2008 12:12:08 GMT -5
I am somewhat puzzled by the fact that we in all our wisdom and with modern equipment (that is supose to be far superior to ancient equipment) consider a bow only effective at 30 yds? If you study history you would find it was considered a long range weapon of warfare at ranges that are mutiples of 30 yds. Historians have recorded shots as long as 400 yds on a horse size target !
Did the ancients know something we don't? Or did they just practice shooting at longer distances? Or are all Historians liars?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jun 17, 2008 13:12:31 GMT -5
You have to remember too that 500 people would each be shooting a half dozen or more arrows in the air before the first one even hit the ground.
That's at least 3000 arrows in the air.
When hunting, they'd do that and then follow the game around for days waiting for them to die.
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Post by 340wby on Jun 17, 2008 13:51:23 GMT -5
personally I try to put the FIRST arrow in a 7" paper plate, if I can do that Im in range, conditions vary in the field, you don,t get (SIGHT SHOTS,AND TIME TO COMPENSATE) wind,rain,brush, the archers possition,etc. generally limit me to 30-35 yards ocasionally 40 yards will be my effective range, now, I practice a good deal, and IM certainly NOT an expert, but if you cant hit within about 3.5"-4" from your intended point of impact you need to get a bit closer I shoot an 84 lb compound JENNINGS UNISTAR with a 31.5" draw with 535 grain CARBON arrows , its fast and hits hard, but its certainly not a LONG range weapon, past 50 yards your just throwing shots and hopeing because theres too much that can go wrong and the game can jump the shot. Ive got 5 acres in my yard too practice in and Ive stacked a dozen bales of straw as a backstop covered with old rugs and practice more than many of my friends simply because its simply a walk out the back door to practice, which HELPS now, your correct you can stand back at 50,60,70 yards and hit the target on the range after you get familiar with the trajectory, but you generally don,t have those same conditions while hunting
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Post by klsm54 on Jun 17, 2008 14:26:38 GMT -5
Our Archery club, that went away when Walmart built on the property, had a range that you walked through the woods and came across targets at various ranges up to 70 yards. Granted, like 340 said, you can hit fairly accurately at 70 yards once you have your hold figured out, but the trajectory is pretty arching at that distance. Misjudge distance by 3 or 4 yards and it can be a clean miss.
And there is that time of flight thing, a game animal could easily be 5-6 feet off line, if they just started walking at a slow pace. A rib shot could become a hind quarter shot very easily. It is not a question of the arrows killing ability at longer ranges, it is the ability to place the arrow in the killing zone of an animal.
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Post by Jack on Jun 18, 2008 11:06:52 GMT -5
Jim, in ancient warfare, archers were used like mortars or artillery is used today (at closer ranges, of course). Large numbers of archers would shoot arrows at an enemy at ranges of 100 yards or more- shooting the arrows at 30 degree angles or more. The idea was to drop arrows onto the mass of the enemies soldiers from above. Remember that in the days of archery as a military weapon, armies were made up of masses of men with shields and swords or spears. Those masses of men made a big target for archers.
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Post by sebastian on Jun 21, 2008 6:34:40 GMT -5
Got some practice again today. 10 meters - 6 arrows touching for twice times, 5 arrows touching and one about 1" apart, once 20 m - around 3" for twice , around 2" once -- some arrows touching 30 m - around 4" for 3 times, around 6" once --- some arrows were very close, or touching 40 m - around 8" first time, around 10" the second time --- some arrows were close
I read some sources carefully and tried my best.... That's the latest result, at this time being. Time allows, I will be hunting tomorrow... I will still bring my rifle for over 30 m range. I just hope I can find deer at close range tomorrow and judge the range right..seb.
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Post by klsm54 on Jun 21, 2008 10:05:21 GMT -5
Sounds like you are doing well. You should be all set out to 30 yards. Good luck!
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Post by jonnyc on Aug 17, 2009 10:25:28 GMT -5
I practice out to 30-that's my self imposed range- even with the new high tech equipment.
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