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Post by klsm54 on Jan 17, 2006 14:39:51 GMT -5
Here are some pictures of Sebastian's rests. These are the latest models, the ones he is selling to customers around the world.... Here is one of the rests shown disassembled. Nice workmanship Sebastian... Here is the rest....ready to go. Here is one of the rests, indexed to the left. Here is a close-up showing the indexing marks. Again, look at that quality... Here is a picture of his rear bag. It has a rubber donut attached, and has a handy carrying strap. And last, but certainly not least, is the reason we haven't heard much from our friend Sebastian lately. He is getting serious about this business. Here are some rests ready for shipment... Now just think, Sebastian works with wood for a trade. He is a Carpenter and an architect, not a machinist. So if he does this kind of work on metal, as a hobby, I would love to see the quality of his construction projects, where he is a professional. I'll bet he is the type of builder that we all try to find when we want to build a house.... ;D
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Post by jimh on Jan 17, 2006 16:17:01 GMT -5
sebastian, a tip of the hat to you sir. nice job, now if i could just get the druel off my screen.
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Post by sebastian on Jan 18, 2006 7:56:49 GMT -5
Thanks Scott, i really aprreciate your kind effort to send those pics in this forum. Thanks for the compliment, too. Thanks to you, Jim. I'm not sure with your term "druell off of my screen" means, but i feel that you are... .......................... For the front rest --- I tend just to design the stuffs and make specs. Yes i made some parts for the machinist's reference or samples, since i also have my own lathe and milling. But after that, i only "assist?" the machinist, and make close supervisions in the process. I only did some parts myself. Also for the polishings, and final installations. (which unfortunately can only be done by me). The other parts are CNC machined though, especially for the co-axle mechanism....i just grind / file / sand the CNC'ed parts to make them finer/smoother. For the bags --- I just design and spec them, find proper materials, find a good sewer in my area (has spesific skill on leathers, making wallets, bags etc). I also install/glue the hard rubber base doughnut to the bag, cut/trim and sanding them, and attach the "carrying handle". (just the final touch). For the front bags -- I just design and spec them. No final touch, just sorting etc, and make some holes to accept the side bar's screws. Btw, lots of efforts and experiments before i got that kind of things. I even didn't count on my expenses, etc, on this project. (I even "loss?" some money if i count my time and effort on this project, to be honest - especially if compared to my main job as an architect & interior contractor). This "project" is mainly for a "pride?" for me. I would like to see if the rest & bags suit to their needs, for most "discriminating" shooters etc, and hopefully they can also place well (have good rank etc) in competitions. (Of course i need Good Shooters for that, soon i beleive....i myself can not attend a lot of matches in the US due to my conditions). Nothing more interesting to me than hearing/know that my rest is appreciated, and someones won competitions using my rests & bags combination. (or at least place a well rank etc). That's my main goal, honestly. By making a fair price coax rest, i also think can "help" some serious shooters to have a coaxial rest with more affordable price. I read many folks can't affort a coax due to its high cost. (Farley coaxial rest costs at $ 750, fyi).....Well, i hope so. Co-axial rest shows its benefit/superiority - rapid movement etc, no loss of concentration etc (rather than adjusting some knobs/screws like on the "conventional" rests) - in a flukey wind condition, for "gunner" shooters (being always "a gunner", or just "a gunner at a time"/depends on the condition), and for serious competitions. I also noticed that MORE than 60% of the WBC-8 shooters shoot with coaxial rest (Farley), and or custom / customized rests. I suspect though that my stuff isn't perfect yet. I'm just new to BR - you know that. That's my "best" effort to make a good rest at this time, though... Thanks again, Seb.
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Post by Jack on Jan 18, 2006 11:24:19 GMT -5
Sebastian, you are making some beautiful products. The carrying strap idea, for example, is great!
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Post by Bubba on Jan 18, 2006 16:52:21 GMT -5
Very, Very nice!!! You've done a great job... I only wish I was that talented...
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Post by jimh on Jan 18, 2006 21:48:03 GMT -5
sebastian, how much for one of those rest, including shipping here to the states?
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Post by sebastian on Jan 19, 2006 2:45:36 GMT -5
Thanks Jack
Thanks Bubba
Jim, i offered the front rest at $ 375 - for a complete set, including one front bag. (i make 3" and 2 1/4" wide - of buyer's choice). The front bag itselves cost at $ 10. (some folks order both of two bags). The rear bag costs at $ 35.
Buyer pay actual shipping. As always i prefer a fast and secure shipment. I use the least expensive international Carrier for that. It is now $ 165 (fix) to the USA - most States. My front rest weighs at about 10 kgs, plus the packaging (and one rear bag) it is 12 kgs. ($ 13.75 per kilogram - the minimum charge i found here). They are secure, have a tracking number, and 4-5 days work delivery time.
No handling fee or charge for the packaging, btw.
Buyer must also anticipate charge/fee when sending the payment. I've been told that via Western Union costs/charges a $ 25 or so, while by electronic wire transfer costs at $50 (to my account here in Indonesia).
My only drawback are just the shipping cost and fee for sending the money. (overseas) I can not accept credit card, too.
I will soon have a Dealer (or two) in the USA. For ones that probably need "a very custom" rest (to what their specs/liking etc) they can still order directly to me, though. (later i can probably send the stuff via my Dealer - by sea freight - i.e. in a cubic meter / shipment - as long as they can wait more for the delivery time).
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Post by Bill on Jan 19, 2006 10:58:43 GMT -5
Sounds to me like your getting to know the ins and outs of the comercial business Sebastian. Logistics can be a bearcat. Once you get a dealer that can handle the item and can ship in quanity the costs to you will go down and the profitibility will go up. I hope that it proves to be a lucritive sideline for you. One way to keep the weight down on shipping the rests bags though is to put a zipper or or velcro closer or something like that in the side of the bag and let the new owners fill the bag themselves with either sand or leadshot. This could be done through the closer and let them put a ziplock bag of shot/sand in it to contain the material. Just a thought
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Post by jimh on Jan 19, 2006 11:35:20 GMT -5
so you're looking at 540.00 total for the rest plus shipping but then an additional 25.00 - 40.00 fee for the wire transfer correct?
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Post by deputydon on Jan 19, 2006 20:43:15 GMT -5
Nice workmanship Seb.!!!!!!! Good Job!!!
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Post by sebastian on Jan 20, 2006 6:42:55 GMT -5
Sounds to me like your getting to know the ins and outs of the comercial business Sebastian. Logistics can be a bearcat. Once you get a dealer that can handle the item and can ship in quanity the costs to you will go down and the profitibility will go up. I hope that it proves to be a lucritive sideline for you. One way to keep the weight down on shipping the rests bags though is to put a zipper or or velcro closer or something like that in the side of the bag and let the new owners fill the bag themselves with either sand or leadshot. This could be done through the closer and let them put a ziplock bag of shot/sand in it to contain the material. Just a thought Bill, of course i sent/will send the bags - empty. They don't have to pay a 14 lbs of (heavy) sands, right? I can find sands everywhere here, so do they... But thank you for your thought...
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Post by sebastian on Jan 20, 2006 7:05:45 GMT -5
so you're looking at 540.00 total for the rest plus shipping but then an additional 25.00 - 40.00 fee for the wire transfer correct? Yep, you're correct. Most of them still think that's a very fair price...compare to Farley, the only coaxial rest in the market now.....except from "Magnum Metal", which is in Farley's design (i think a franchize or so?)....the other i know is from "Joystick rest" which cost $ 400 just the coax part (exluding the base and bags). Farley costs at $750, plus an Edgewood front bag $ 50 or so, plus Edgewood rear bag $ 100 or more. Let's see....my new coax has more features, a "double sided" coax, more stable/rigid/sturdy etc, can be adjusted to whatever direction, looks more "custom", more beautiful, good quality, smooth etc. They will last for decades, too. The only thing is, my rest still not proven in a big match(es), yet!!!. But i hope it will, soon. It may probably that my rest will be in PS magazine, soon. A Rimfire shooter, which he is also a PS Writer, told me that - without i asked him or so. I have sent the rest some days ago (Jan 17) and he will received the rest on Jan 23, i think. He will use the rest on IR 50/50 Indoors National at North Carolina next Feb 5-7. ................. Don't worry, they are sell & will sell..... A coaxial rest is higher costs since it is more precision parts (CNC'ed etc). I can make a good conventional rest just under $ 150, for comparison (of course if more mass product). seb.
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Post by sebastian on Jan 20, 2006 7:25:05 GMT -5
Hello Bill,
By having a Dealer, i will NOT have more profit or so. My goal is how to make the rest as cheaper as possible to the Customer's end. I must give the Dealer a special discount, though. The dealer must have about 20% profit, which he has to spend such overhead costs, phone bills, advs, his investment etc. By seafreight, of course it will cut the shipping cost.
Look at it this way:
1. My rest - order directly to me: front rest $375, shipping cost $165. Charge for snding money (via Western Union) $ 25 or so. Total about $ 565. If the customer also want the rear bag (they do), it is about $ 600.... A "very" complete set. (shipping cost is same because they all still about 12 kgs package).
2. Dealer - i plan to give him $ 350 per unit. (including the front bag,too). Rear bag perhas $ 30 (he can ask many/more rear bags per shipment, btw). Seafreight for a CBM (one cubic meter - of max 365 kgs), plus taxes / duties etc will be about $ 1600 - 1800 (total). Assuming he needs 15 rests per shipment, with many rear bags (which he can sell higher price later), the shipping cost per unit is about $ 90, maybe less. So, add $350 with $90, it is $440. Plus his profit, maybe then about $520 or so. Plus local shipping (which i know about $ 25-30 to most States) it will be about $ 550 - to the Customer's end.
(note: the Dealer will have more profit then me - but that's fine, no problem for me. It's good he has some profits).
.......Now compare to my "competitor".....
Actually, my rest should cost more than $ 800 or so...... Some other custom rests cost more than $1000, fyi.
So you know my concern and goal......seb.
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Post by sebastian on Jan 20, 2006 7:39:15 GMT -5
Bill, After i'm thinking why you asked me if i need to send the bags empty....please be advised that those bags in the last pics (except my new Protector model and one besides it) are just EMPTY. My rear bag, which i carry it in the 3rd pic, yes it's filled with sands.
Maybe you think that they are filled with sands, No. The front bags too - No.
My bags are double layers construction so that they have "their own shape" already, without sands in them. (will not leak or so).
Just in case you think or see the bags wrong....seb.
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Post by sebastian on Jan 20, 2006 7:44:34 GMT -5
Nice workmanship Seb.!!!!!!! Good Job!!! Thanks DD. They're just my poor attemp, lol.
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