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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 26, 2006 22:45:16 GMT -5
that was kinda off topic totally, but ok...
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Post by jimiowa on Jan 26, 2006 23:36:48 GMT -5
Bill, I really don`t know how the Kimber stacks up? Have heard and read some good things about them. But can't say I have ever seen one let alone shot one. This isn't what Jim is saying. I'm saying it. I've read a lot of forums on rimfire central and such. If indeed everyone gets the groups they claim they get with the anschutz and CZ, I think everyone in the world would spring for one. Bottom line, when I see people claiming they can shoot .5" at 50 all day long...I start questioning the people's claims... What is in reality a .75" group out of 10 groups all of a sudden turns in a .50" group that they kept all day long. get the picture... Now that's not to take away from people and guns that can do this on a regular basis. Because I believe you guys. But when stupid people just shoot their mouths off (especially recommending people to buy that gun), it doesn't sit well with me. Yes Red, I agree that one needs to use sense and discernment when reading Some posts. But I draw conclusions, that I have no proof of based on as much research as possible. Here is link to an evaluation on a few, pretty good rifles. Anschutz, Sako & Browning. When you get to the performance page note they are testing these .22's at 100 yds and sub 1" groups at 100 yds are not eay to come by in a factory rifle. www.gun-tests.com/performance/feb97FTanschutz.html
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Post by Bill on Jan 27, 2006 0:18:40 GMT -5
Ok Jim. I did some homework today for you and came up with a group of rifles and prices I can get them for. Some new some not and I will post which is which. Also you will need to add S&H but no sales tax as their isn't a store in your state as of yet but it will have to be shipped to a dealer for you to pick up. Plus a FFL must be sent by fax for imediate shipping followed by a hard copy. There that should tell you all you need to do to purchase a gun but you have to decide on which one. 1.) New - Anschutz 1710 D Heavy Barrel .22 LR $1239.99 2.) New - Anschutz 1416 D KL .22 LR $699.99 3.) New - Kimber Hunter/Silouette HB Fluted .22 LR $729.99 4.) New CZ 452 Varmit HB .22 LR $334.99 5.) New Cooper 57M Classic .22 LR $1289.99 6.) Used Unfired Beretta/Sako .22 LR with case $695 7.) Used condition unk. as of yet. Haven't seen it but its comming in I think this weekend. Remington 541T with scope and box. .22 LR $600 If there is anything that interests you let me know. We also have a 90 Layaway plan no interest that can be done over the phone. Guess I blew my cover on this post didn't I
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Post by jimh on Jan 27, 2006 7:10:07 GMT -5
wow. .5" & .75" groups at 100 yds. wasn't Cal wanting a rimfire to shoot groups that small at that distance? Cal. i think they found your rifle.
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Post by jimiowa on Jan 27, 2006 8:21:32 GMT -5
wow. .5" & .75" groups at 100 yds. wasn't Cal wanting a rimfire to shoot groups that small at that distance? Cal. i think they found your rifle. Yes Your Right Jim! Guess I owe Cal an apology. Actually I only found that test last night. Bill, Thats real interesting. It is going to take a few more months for me to save that kind of money. The 1416, Kimber & Sako interest me. But this has to come out of my Walmart Checkand I`m not quite there yet. Actually, they have cut my hours(like they do after the holidays every year) but will get back in the swing in a few weeks.
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Post by jimh on Jan 27, 2006 9:41:51 GMT -5
hey jim, and they did it in the crappy 64 action, go figure. (just kidding)
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Post by jimiowa on Jan 27, 2006 10:30:50 GMT -5
hey jim, and they did it in the crappy 64 action, go figure. (just kidding) ;D Yes it is true, I think the 64 is very nearly as accurate as the 54. Another point to consider is Anschutz Sporting rifles do not have a match chamber. If one were to set the barrel back and cut a match chamber it could do better. Another point was that they clearly demonstrate that Quality Match Ammo makes a big difference even in a sporting rifle. Mind you, I have found very few cases, where T22 or CCI Green Tag shot much better or as well as Federal Lightnings @ a buck a box in any rifle or handgun I have owned. The 54 has features that make it a better choice to build on for extreme accuracy. But am not sure that unless your a goal is all out competetion it is nearly worth twice the price.
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Post by Jack on Jan 27, 2006 10:56:16 GMT -5
Thought I saw something recently that Browning was reintroducing the old T- Bolt they used to sell. The ones I saw were darn good shooters.
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Post by Bill on Jan 27, 2006 11:09:05 GMT -5
Has anyone used any of the Wolf Match .22's yet to give a good post on its performance? I can pick that up for about $30 a brick and keep looking at it and wondering just how good it is. The rifle of all those I posted above and their prices that intrigued me the most was the Kimber Hunter/Silouette. Thats one awsome looking rifle for the price and didn't weigh all that much more than the 1416 if any. The 24" HB was fluted for about 10"s with the last 5"s unfluted. The wood is great to look at. Not as nice as say the Cooper but close. Has an action that is built as heavy as the Win 52 or the Anschutz 54 and appears to be every bit as nicly finished. For a sporter class I think it can hit the weight bracket as long as you don't mount a scope that has the weight of a Mack Truck.
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Post by jimiowa on Jan 27, 2006 11:41:11 GMT -5
Has anyone used any of the Wolf Match .22's yet to give a good post on its performance? I can pick that up for about $30 a brick and keep looking at it and wondering just how good it is. The rifle of all those I posted above and their prices that intrigued me the most was the Kimber Hunter/Silouette. Thats one awsome looking rifle for the price and didn't weigh all that much more than the 1416 if any. The 24" HB was fluted for about 10"s with the last 5"s unfluted. The wood is great to look at. Not as nice as say the Cooper but close. Has an action that is built as heavy as the Win 52 or the Anschutz 54 and appears to be every bit as nicly finished. For a sporter class I think it can hit the weight bracket as long as you don't mount a scope that has the weight of a Mack Truck. Bill: Wolf MT is good stuff, seems to be hard to comeby around here. Seems when a dealer gets a shipment its gone within a week or two. I can`t say I have heard of anyone who has had bad luck with it. I have shot it in my 10/22, Mossberg and 22/45 and everyone has shot much better. There is a gunshow at the fairgrounds this weekend and I`m going up tomorrow afternoon looking for a brick. BTW you have me reserching the Kimber now ;D
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Post by Bill on Jan 27, 2006 15:07:50 GMT -5
Hey. Glad I could offer some assistance. I'm not much into paper punching except to find out what my guns will shoot the best with but I do like a nice .22 rifle. Plus I probably get to shoot .22's about as much as I do any of my guns except for my shotguns which I shoot probably 20 times more than the rifles. I was digging around on Rimfire Central this morning and most of the rifles in 10/22 I seen I went HO HUM as they all had the laminated Boyds stock and which although nice but after a while of looking at them they begin to all look the same. That was until I ran into a rifle that was an exact duplicate of my rifle. Very plain, Black, Light, and accurate. Weighs about 4.25 lbs and is one awsome squirril rifle. A target rifle it isn't though but after your comments about Wolf Ammo and the quality of it and my access to large amounts of it that might improve that end of it too. Plus I keep reading about what their doing to the actions and triggers and I keep thinking that I might have to do some of that to it. Can't hurt much even though it shoots into an inch or less now at 50 yds. Trigger pull and extended mag relase and buffer rod are the next changes on it. ;D
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Post by klsm54 on Jan 27, 2006 18:00:10 GMT -5
Here is another article of some interest that further explains some of the intricacies of rimfire accuracy. This one is a reprint from the original that appeared in Precision Shooting. It gets deeper in the effects of rimfire ignition and it's effect than most of us would ever dream of searching. www.snipersparadise.com/tsmag/june2004.htm
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 27, 2006 21:08:41 GMT -5
I've never shot wolf 22 ammo.
But I have seen plenty of positive reviews about wolf to think they are probably decent stuff.
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