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Post by Jack on Sept 20, 2009 23:36:51 GMT -5
The hole under the nipple should absolutely positively have a screw in it. That hole is an access point for cleaning the drum. The drum is what the nipple screws into, and the drum is what connects the nipple to the rear of the bore, where the main powder charge is.
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Post by jimh on Sept 21, 2009 6:38:45 GMT -5
Jack i have that screw, i'm talking about the hole in picture #1 at the very end of the locking tang. the one on the side just below the nipple is not in question as i removed that screw just prior to photo's
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Post by jimiowa on Sept 21, 2009 8:48:46 GMT -5
Jim, as far as the Breechplug being removable, That's a Definate Maybe?? It is threaded into the barrel for sure. Depends a lot on how it was made? I know for sure that the CVA may be suposed to be removeable, but are nearly impossible. They install the breechplug and then drill for the drum. That causes a mechanical lock(like pinning a bolt) the problem lies in that the drilling and threading of the drum causes burs to form inside that are impossible to shear and remove the plug. I will say this, there is little reason for you to ever have to remove the breech plug, and if you did you will need a heavy bench vise some kind of soft jaws to protect the barrel and a proper fitting wrench or you will jusy bugger things up, not get it out and be hating ever have tried.( gave up on the CVA barrel I tried it on) Bookie tried to help me with it, and said to cut it off W/ a hacksaw and install a new Breech plug but I've never done it.
As far as that hole at the bottom of the snail, I'm not sure. Is it threaded? I'm wondering if it is meant as a safety feature, by causing any blowback of spent powder to be deflected down away from your face?? Simuar to vented bolts and actions on centerfire actions?
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Post by jimiowa on Sept 21, 2009 8:53:50 GMT -5
I just caught that comment about a .50 not shooting past 50 yds. I must have been hearing things, when I heard that guy ringing the gong at 325 yds repeatedly offhand messing around at the last chunk gun shoot?
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Post by jimh on Sept 21, 2009 9:09:53 GMT -5
As far as that hole at the bottom of the snail, I'm not sure. Is it threaded? I'm wondering if it is meant as a safety feature, by causing any blowback of spent powder to be deflected down away from your face?? Simuar to vented bolts and actions on centerfire actions? which one are you refering to?
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Post by jimiowa on Sept 21, 2009 10:03:51 GMT -5
As far as that hole at the bottom of the snail, I'm not sure. Is it threaded? I'm wondering if it is meant as a safety feature, by causing any blowback of spent powder to be deflected down away from your face?? Simuar to vented bolts and actions on centerfire actions? which one are you refering to? In your 4th picture below the snail and slightly behind tthe nipple. Is that a hole or an optical illusion?
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Post by jimh on Sept 21, 2009 13:03:45 GMT -5
that is a slot or groove cut along the bottom and shows up as such in the first photo.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Sept 21, 2009 13:58:49 GMT -5
I just caught that comment about a .50 not shooting past 50 yds. I must have been hearing things, when I heard that guy ringing the gong at 325 yds repeatedly offhand messing around at the last chunk gun shoot?I can promise you he was out on that range twice a week for 2 years just messing around with 3-4 different brands of black powder (in 1-5 grain increments) and a half dozen different bullets & lubes. And I'm sure he wasn't using a cheap quality muzzleloader like 75% sold are. I'm not a pessimist; I'm a realist If the average shooter averages 2" groups with a rested scoped centerfire (which I believe to be true and don't think that can be disputed), then I'm not sure why it would be expected that the average shooter come close to that with a muzzleloader concidering the following: 1. The quality of most guns purchased are frankly not very good. 3. We're talking iron sights and at 100 yards you must aim over the target in order to hit the bullseye --- 2 strikes 4. These guns kick like a slug gun with certain loads - that doesn't promote good shooting 5. Lastly and more importantly People who barely know anything about centerfires are entering into the muzzleloader market and they don't know a single thing about them ! And the clerks at the store don't know very much either. Not a year goes by where at least once I'm at the range and someone next to me just bought a muzzleloader for the first time and he has the wrong caps. And every single one of them always has the same old story "well I bought this cheap gun just so I can hunt 1 more time a year" The priority given to muzzleloaders is very very low on average. Just the simple fact that you have to clean them causes the guns to stay at home than at the range more times than not. Jim has the advantage of knowing more about centerfires than most people, but if he was just turned loose with this muzzleloader with little information (like most do) he'd be completly lost ! It would take him the entire summer just to consistantly get groups at 50 yards --- I've seen that countless numbers of times with people at the range. With little knowledge, low priority and finicky guns - people simply can't shoot good groups at long ranges. With crowded shooting ranges, you may not be able to get to the 100 yard bench for a couple trips. At 50 yards, the gun might shoot pretty good and you're feeling pretty good. Well several months later you make it the 100 yard line and you can't hit squat and no matter what you do you can't hit squat with that particular bullet. From a hunting standpoint, I think 50-60 yards is fine. If it's unacceptable to you after playing around with the powder charge, it's time to move on to another choice of projectile. This is especially true with a 1:48 twist because it's the most finicky of them allBottom Line: The shooter should eventually be able to produce a good group at 100 yards (3-4") after tinkering. Due to lack of knowledge and / or time restraints, it could be YEARS before that is accomplished. That is why if you can get 2-3" groups at 50 yards this fall, I'd be very satisfied if I were you. There's always next year...
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Post by jmarriott on Sept 21, 2009 18:20:48 GMT -5
I have seen even some black powder single shot pistols do nice 50 yard and 100 yard groups. Come on over to Friendship Indiana this year for rendezvous They ring that 300 yard gong all the time. Lots of people can get them to Hit.
I just don't like the stink.
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Post by jimh on Sept 22, 2009 6:31:31 GMT -5
well the guy was very accommondating we came to a fair agreement.
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Post by jimh on Sept 24, 2009 17:07:54 GMT -5
so i asked for 50.00 back and he was happy to accomondate me. i received the check today and the guy made it out for 75.00. makes you feel warm and fuzzy when folks go out of their way to do what's right on their own.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Sept 24, 2009 22:12:24 GMT -5
$125 to the door sounds a lot more realistic.
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Post by deputydon on Sept 25, 2009 6:55:16 GMT -5
I just caught that comment about a .50 not shooting past 50 yds. I must have been hearing things, when I heard that guy ringing the gong at 325 yds repeatedly offhand messing around at the last chunk gun shoot?I can promise you he was out on that range twice a week for 2 years just messing around with 3-4 different brands of black powder (in 1-5 grain increments) and a half dozen different bullets & lubes. And I'm sure he wasn't using a cheap quality muzzleloader like 75% sold are. I'm not a pessimist; I'm a realist If the average shooter averages 2" groups with a rested scoped centerfire (which I believe to be true and don't think that can be disputed), then I'm not sure why it would be expected that the average shooter come close to that with a muzzleloader concidering the following: 1. The quality of most guns purchased are frankly not very good. 3. We're talking iron sights and at 100 yards you must aim over the target in order to hit the bullseye --- 2 strikes 4. These guns kick like a slug gun with certain loads - that doesn't promote good shooting 5. Lastly and more importantly People who barely know anything about centerfires are entering into the muzzleloader market and they don't know a single thing about them ! And the clerks at the store don't know very much either. Not a year goes by where at least once I'm at the range and someone next to me just bought a muzzleloader for the first time and he has the wrong caps. And every single one of them always has the same old story "well I bought this cheap gun just so I can hunt 1 more time a year" The priority given to muzzleloaders is very very low on average. Just the simple fact that you have to clean them causes the guns to stay at home than at the range more times than not. Jim has the advantage of knowing more about centerfires than most people, but if he was just turned loose with this muzzleloader with little information (like most do) he'd be completly lost ! It would take him the entire summer just to consistantly get groups at 50 yards --- I've seen that countless numbers of times with people at the range. With little knowledge, low priority and finicky guns - people simply can't shoot good groups at long ranges. With crowded shooting ranges, you may not be able to get to the 100 yard bench for a couple trips. At 50 yards, the gun might shoot pretty good and you're feeling pretty good. Well several months later you make it the 100 yard line and you can't hit squat and no matter what you do you can't hit squat with that particular bullet. From a hunting standpoint, I think 50-60 yards is fine. If it's unacceptable to you after playing around with the powder charge, it's time to move on to another choice of projectile. This is especially true with a 1:48 twist because it's the most finicky of them allBottom Line: The shooter should eventually be able to produce a good group at 100 yards (3-4") after tinkering. Due to lack of knowledge and / or time restraints, it could be YEARS before that is accomplished. That is why if you can get 2-3" groups at 50 yards this fall, I'd be very satisfied if I were you. There's always next year... I have to agree w/ Red on most of what he said here; for the most part. GOD I HATE THAT!!!! ;D ;D Especially # 5, It does take time to learn your MLer and be able to shoot it accurately. And you don't become a longer range shooter over night. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!!
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Oct 14, 2009 22:38:26 GMT -5
Not knowing anything about how the gun was cleaned last (or put away with), I would be looking down that barrel at a minimum...
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Post by deputydon on Oct 23, 2009 19:36:49 GMT -5
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