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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jun 12, 2008 9:57:17 GMT -5
Just to satisfy my curiosity
Do you know of any company that offers a side by side fully rifled double barrel shotgun?
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Post by bounce on Jun 12, 2008 10:29:40 GMT -5
A scarce few were made in the 1880's I think and then maybe only party rifled?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jun 12, 2008 10:48:13 GMT -5
I wonder also if someone makes just the barrels that you could just switch out  You would think with as popular as o/u and s/s are (in all price ranges) that someone would be making them for the shotgun only states. I guess most people would prefer pumps or semi's though. |
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Post by jimh on Jun 12, 2008 10:57:52 GMT -5
Red, i think Bakial makes some for some reason. or maybe they did back some time.
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Post by Jack on Jun 12, 2008 10:57:53 GMT -5
I can't recall seeing or hearing of a fully rifled double...
It's an intrigueing idea, but, I can see that scoping a double is a good deal more difficult/expensive than scoping a pump or auto. For slug shooting, scopes are used by a lot of shooters.
Now, rifled choke tubes in some of the recent models of double guns with barrels threaded for chokes......
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jun 12, 2008 11:53:56 GMT -5
I was able to access the Canadian Biakal website here at work. I don't know if it covers all of their products or not. If they made them in the past, they no longer do.
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Post by jimh on Jun 12, 2008 12:54:20 GMT -5
try stoeger too.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jun 12, 2008 13:03:39 GMT -5
Definatly not Stoeger. I was was playing around there the other week looking for the perfect rabbit gun (18" double)
This is something that would interest me if it could be had for around 600-700 dollars with rifle sights or if it could be sold in addition to the smoothbore. Frankly, I'm shocked no one appears to make it --- not even in a bead version. you'd think someone would go out on a limb and add it to their line.
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Post by klsm54 on Jun 12, 2008 14:09:52 GMT -5
............ Frankly, I'm shocked no one appears to make it --- not even in a bead version. you'd think someone would go out on a limb and add it to their line. Why?......  I can't imagine what anyone would want one for. A slug gun with one barrel, that shoots to the same point at all distances, offers more shots, and easily adapts to various sighting options seems to be so much of a better option that I can't see a SxS slug gun selling enough to make it worthwhile. |
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Post by dovehunter on Jun 12, 2008 14:30:58 GMT -5
Jack:
Regarding rifled choke tubes, my gunsmith, who is considered the premier shotgun specialist around the area, said don't waste your money on them. I had asked him about the possibility of taking an old H&R single barrel of mine, shortening the barrel, and threading it for the screw-in tubes so I could do this very thing. He said (1) the gun wasn't worth the cost of the conversion and (2) every rifled choke tube he'd ever tried wouldn't shoot any better than a smooth bore with any slugs he had tried.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jun 12, 2008 15:27:21 GMT -5
Why?...... I can't imagine what anyone would want one for. A slug gun with one barrel, that shoots to the same point at all distances, offers more shots, and easily adapts to various sighting options seems to be so much of a better option that I can't see a SxS slug gun selling enough to make it worthwhile. Point well taken. The brush gun thread got me thinking about this. 50 yard max shots... BOOM BOOM and both are on paper. Rifle sights has one dead on and the other say...4" left OR you can sight it where you're splitting the difference. Perhaps a barrel shoots 2" left and the other 2" right. Like Scott says, I guess there's a lot better options with today's technology. But think 20 years ago and earlier when you could only shoot 50 yards. How many people were using foster slugs from double barrels on deer? I would think a lot |
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Post by klsm54 on Jun 12, 2008 16:40:46 GMT -5
I knew an oldtimer, a true "one gun" guy, who took quite a few deer with his 12 gauge SxS with slugs. Inside 50 yards your smoothbore double is plenty accurate, but might not hit where the bead looks.
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Post by jimiowa on Jun 12, 2008 20:38:13 GMT -5
I knew an oldtimer, a true "one gun" guy, who took quite a few deer with his 12 gauge SxS with slugs. Inside 50 yards your smoothbore double is plenty accurate, but might not hit where the bead looks. That's something I have not tried. I have a Brazilian 12 X12 that I Cut the barrels off at 24"(took the choke out for brushbusting bunnies. I never really checkded to see where it would print slugs? I'm sure the barrels would be left or right of point of aim to a certain distance then cross over? Just as a Double Rifle would. The Smoothie with fosters should be adequate at reasonable Slug ranges anyway. |
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Post by Bill on Jun 14, 2008 9:17:33 GMT -5
Rifled choke tubes do not improve your accuracy with a standard slug. Where they do work well is with the Sabot slugs like the Golden Sabot that Remington makes. Probably not all that much more accurate than a smooth bore is out to 60 yds but gets a bit better as it goes further out. If I was going to look at using a slug in a shotgun I probably would look at the Rem 870 with the rifled slug barrel and the cantilevered scope mount. Probably the most accurate of the slug guns with the Sabot's. Plus your not going to be all that much slower with it than the double.  |
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Post by twomoons on Jun 16, 2008 13:09:43 GMT -5
Holland and Holland made a 12 Gauge rifle in the 1880's for big game use. They fired a 750 grain bullet and had a 1-40 somethng twist. But they were not big sellers as double rifles are traditionaly shoort range under 100 yards guns and in that situatiion a smooth bore will do almost as well as a rifle. Using brass cases and a properly fitted round ball from a open bored double gun I have shoot under a 4" group at 50 yards and under 6" at 100 yards. This is a 720 diameter ball leaving the muzzle of the gun at 1700 fps. Even though muzzle velocity and energy have dropped off considerably at 100 yards the large ball punches right through and makes a big hole going in and out. A 12 Ga. ball I recovered from a buffalo went into the front shoulder and stopped under the skin after going through almost 3 feet of buffalo. The ball was expanded to .970 diameter and this was all done at 75 yards. A deer wouldn't stand a chance! Ballistic Products sells special wads for r/b in a 12 gauge and in a modern gun it is entirely possible to push that r/b to 2000 fps. The biggest prioblem with shooting r/b's or slugs in a modern double is that the choke will throow the ball off.
If you want to see how your double is shooting seat a wad backwards in an empty case and prime it with a shotgun primer. Sight in on a target at 7 yards and let fly. A well regulated double will cut a sideways figure eight with the wad from the right barrel cutting the left hole and visa versa. Recoil from a slug load will cause the barrels to shoot right on at about 50 yards or so. Now if at 7 yards your double throws on barrel 2" high right and the other 3" low left you have problems. These barrels can be regulated somewhat by filing in the muzzle. This is why on a lot of old muzzleloaders the muzzles look crooked, they were filed in to print balls together for hunting.
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