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Post by Bill on Apr 25, 2006 11:14:32 GMT -5
Well the pup is still alive.  I have at times wondered why but were both learning and I'm not getting bit anymore although the wife at times is still getting nailed  First thing the pup learned was how to pee and poop on comand although you have to be careful and comand this at the right time or it does not work. Especilly if she has already did it.  Wife took her out just before I got home from work and didn't tell me and I took her out and the poor girl would squat and couldn't pee. Duh, wife says what you doing. I say trying to make her pee why??? She says well it ain't going to work as she already has gone. She has learned how to set and stay, this was learned as a time out exercise when she had been a totally rotten little shit and we learned how to sit and stay on comand. Took me an hour but we now sit and stay on comand. (for as long as a 10 week old pups attention well let them anyway)  We are also learning to walk together and doing real good except when something new and interesting comes along then we loose her attention and it takes a bit to get it back again. The only time we really have a problem on these walks is when she see's were going home then its lets see if we can drag dad. We don't do too well there yet but it is getting better all the time.  The biggest problem I had was with her food. We had put her on Science diet which the vet had recomended as we couldn't find any of the Purina Pro Plan and it turned that pup into a walking fertalizer factory. Not runny but good god every time she peed she had to poop too. Then she was hungry. Acted like she was starving all the time. Finally got her Purina One puppy food and now she dosen't act like she is starving all the time and has cut in half the number of times she had to poop. ;D Thought the whole neighborhood was going to turn into a landmine field. ;D I did find out that when she gets me so pissed that I wanted to kill her that if I catch the problem right now and grab her by the scruff of the neck and lift her up and growl at her she stops it. ;D Then she want to come and be loved for a while. Lots better than her being a pain in the butt thats for sure. |
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Post by jimh on Apr 25, 2006 12:37:39 GMT -5
what really gets me on this training stuff is the pup will get trained for the most part if you do your part within a year or two. some of it happens real fast and some takes even a tad longer, especialy furniture disapline stuff. but this pup with a dogs brain gets the whole picture pretty well in a fairly short time. now i have my kids with this supposendly superior brain and i have been training them for years now and they still don't get it. i'm to the point to where i'm considering use the crate on them.
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Post by Bill on Apr 25, 2006 16:29:25 GMT -5
Collar and choke chain might work. Picking them up by the scruff of their neck and shaking the crap out of them has proved usefull at times but at other times can end up with you in jail. |
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Post by jimh on Apr 25, 2006 17:30:22 GMT -5
Bill my oldest is going to tower over me in just another couple years. i don't want to give him too much reason to hold a grudge. the other two will be horse jockey material fer sure but better keep at least one eye on them as the middle boy is as smart as they come. he'll figure a way to get even. |
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Post by deputydon on Apr 26, 2006 14:48:19 GMT -5
Gald to hear everything is going good for ya!!!!
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Post by Bill on Apr 26, 2006 22:49:08 GMT -5
Dep-Don, you remember that Julie is the one that picked out the dog as it ran to her but it also just happened to be the one that I liked. Well I get along fine with the pup as she see's me as boss but she sure tries to bully Julie. Donnie has been giving me advise but it seems that I did a few things right instinctivly. When she was chewing the heck out of Julie I grabbed her and held her up and growled like heck at her. Scared the living crap out of her. The problem is still there but its been curtailed a bit ;D I don't think Julie looks at her as her pick any more. |
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Post by donnie on Apr 27, 2006 8:46:14 GMT -5
I Gotta say, This has been thooughly enjoyable for me! I've never seen Bill like this. He gets so worried that he's gonna do somethin wrong and mess up this pup! LMAO!!!
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Post by deputydon on Apr 27, 2006 8:53:00 GMT -5
It's not like Bill that's for sure !!! lol
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Post by donnie on Apr 27, 2006 19:04:25 GMT -5
DD, He used to really give me a bad time about the way I carried on about the SXS shotgun I bought from him. I worried way too much about what could happen if I had a malfunction or needed a replacement firing pin etc.
He was fond of saying that I was as nervous as a new bride on her wedding night. BUT NOW......................The garters on the other leg isn't it Bill!!! LOL
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Post by Bill on Apr 27, 2006 22:49:17 GMT -5
Ya it is. After today and with everything going wrong. Got my butt worked off and was running about 2 hrs behind all day and then the Expodition decided to not start last night when I left work. So I called the garage today and told them to go pick it up and then I went to work and decided to try it again and the dang thing started for some unknown reason and repeatadly started to boot. I told them to take it anyway and check it out.   Then I got home and went to walk Molly and she must of got up on the wrong side of the bed and we went to war. Litterly. Well I won but it was by walking her for a 1/2 mile and making her stop and SIT about every 10' other wise she either ran to the grass and started digging or ran to the end of her leash and did a flip when she hit the end of it that she had me totally pissed. SO every time she did something wrong we stopped and would SIT until she quieted down and then I would start to walk her again and off she would go. Start the sit process all over again. Took us over an hr to go the 1/2 mile. She was sitting real nice by the end of it but as soon as I let her off the sit and started walking it stared all over. Totally wore me out. Her too as she went to sleep when she got back in the house. Boy you can tell this is a female as she can really throw a fit when she wants to. Now the good part is that she loves to fetch. More and More every day. I think if I let her she would do it all day long if you kept her attention on it only. She is even letting me have the dummie so she can go chase it again. Just for giggles I threw it 30' to see what she would do and nothing changed. She went and got it and brought it back. She is one smart dog but sometimes she is too smart for her own good. She has got better at not treating us like a chew toy although somethimes when were playing fetch she gets excited and I get chewed on because she is impatiant for me to throw the dummie.
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Post by donnie on Apr 28, 2006 6:56:18 GMT -5
Awesome Bill!
Sounds like she's doin just fine! Remember though, not too many of those retrieves at any one time. We really want her to feel like she just never gets enough of them.
They will become the only reward she ever needs to do her job in the field and her whole reason for being! In fact they will be the greatest leverage we will have when things get tough on us later. Keep it up with the control drills you will really see some breakthroughs very shortly in her attention span. I personally like to start every training session with some walking at heel, some sitting on command and a few stays then reward the pup with a few retrieves. Follow the whole thing up with some praise and tell her how happy you are with her performance (some days you will be happier than others) A training session should last no more than 15 minutes at this point and will often last less. You can, however, squeaze 2 or 3 such sessions into a day if you are of a mind.
Reading your posts makes me smile! Take the time to time to evaluate her performance each day but don't become overly critical of her. Someday you will look back and wonder how you ever got her fully trained but I promise it is from these little outtings and short sessions of laying the ground work that she will become a true hunting retriever. Those little "sit" time outs you are giving her will pay you dividends you can't even begin to understand today!
One more thing; relax and enjoy this. Remember what I said, Just when you think you have it all figured out and she is doing amazing things for you it will all come crashing down for a little while and if she is like every other dog in the world she will give you the finger and simply refuse to do as you wish. LOL!! Usually happens when you are so proud ya just gotta show some-one how awesome your dog is! You get her out, bragging up a storm about what an awesome dog she is, and after building the expectation to a fevered pitch and setting everything up she will just sit there as though her brains have fallen from her head while you try to get her to do just ANYTHING she has trained for months to do! LOL!!
I'll be expecting that call, LOL!
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Post by Bill on Apr 28, 2006 7:47:53 GMT -5
I fully expect that you will be getting a "Donnie, what the heck am I doing wrong now" call. Whats really the most awsome thing is the small things she has learned automaticaly. She got into this thing about jumping like she is on a trampoleine when it was time to feed her. This went on for a few days until I finally just quit feeding her when she did it. ;D So now when its time to get fed we sit and stay until I tell her she can eat. Sure makes feeding her a lot easier as your not getting trampled or jumped on when you bend over to put the food in the bowl. |
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Post by deputydon on Apr 28, 2006 8:02:14 GMT -5
Bill & Donnie; you guys need to keep this thread going. I don't know about the rest of the guys
but I'm picking up little things here and there that are / will be useful!! So keep going guys.
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Post by jimh on Apr 28, 2006 8:45:55 GMT -5
Bill & Donnie; you guys need to keep this thread going. I don't know about the rest of the guys but I'm picking up little things here and there that are / will be useful!! So keep going guys. It's two years too late !!! ;D well at least i know where i went grong. i let the wife and kids into the picture. i do think it would be a good thread to update on a regular basis. would find it very usefull for when i get my second dog down the road a spell. i just know i'll be posting some horror story this summer how the kids let the pooch do a few laps in the pool we put up last year now that i have a deck around it. lets see what does a new pool liner cost anyway.  |
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Post by bounce on Apr 28, 2006 10:13:44 GMT -5
I haven't figured out how to use any of it D*D with a bunch of dogs, the old saying, one good dog, two dogs and you got no dog. What little time I get to work with each one I have found that watching the horse training shows on RFDTV Works great with dogs allso, at least mine maybe because they say mine & horses get along great? But it's the Presure & release for reward thing it seems to work well.....or at least when one is not trying to kill a nother one... which when that happens they all want to kill that one, so makes training tough even with fences as they will lock on each other noeses even though the fence, boy is that fun!!
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I have at times wondered why but were both learning and I'm not getting bit anymore although the wife at times is still getting nailed 
Wife took her out just before I got home from work and didn't tell me and I took her out and the poor girl would squat and couldn't pee. 
Then I got home and went to walk Molly and she must of got up on the wrong side of the bed and we went to war. Litterly. Well I won but it was by walking her for a 1/2 mile and making her stop and SIT about every 10' other wise she either ran to the grass and started digging or ran to the end of her leash and did a flip when she hit the end of it that she had me totally pissed. SO every time she did something wrong we stopped and would SIT until she quieted down and then I would start to walk her again and off she would go. Start the sit process all over again. Took us over an hr to go the 1/2 mile. She was sitting real nice by the end of it but as soon as I let her off the sit and started walking it stared all over. Totally wore me out. Her too as she went to sleep when she got back in the house. Boy you can tell this is a female as she can really throw a fit when she wants to. 
