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Post by Redhawk1 on Jan 16, 2008 16:00:05 GMT -5
I have a Savage Smokeless muzzleloader blued with black synthetic stock and I love it, I have been an Encore fan for more than 8 years, but after I started shooting the Savage, I sold all my Encore muzzleloader's, including my Pro-hunter.
The part than need to be replaced every 200 shots is called a vent liner, it is basically a allen head cap screw with a hole through it. You can get some that will last 400 shots, they are very inexpensive and not hard to change at all.
The guns are extremely accurate and a blast to shoot, nice not having to wait for the smoke to clear to see what is going on is a plus.
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Jan 16, 2008 20:14:27 GMT -5
I am only assuming you have a scope on it. If so, what sort of groups do you get with it? What sort of projectiles and propellants have you used so far?
OK, I realize I am asking for a lot, but I am really serious about getting one of these but I don't want it if it won't extremely accurately with several different types of projectiles. I might want to load it with heavy weight projectiles for elk, but might want to use sabots and handgun bullets for pronghorns or deer.
Thanks in advance for any additional information..
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Post by Redhawk1 on Jan 17, 2008 8:58:04 GMT -5
Gila, I use 195 gr. duplex dead centers from precision rifle, I only hunt deer with it at this time, if I decided to hunt anything bigger, I would step up to a 300 gr. bullet or some thing close to that weight. I have shot T/C's bonded shockwave 250 gr. bullets with very good results also, but I liked the flatter trajectory of the 195 gr. dead centers better.
With the 195 dead centers, I am getting 1 to 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. I do have a Nikon Buckmaster 3X9X40 on the gun. I get 2 to 2.5 inch groups at 150 yards. I have not had it long enough to see what it will do at 200 yards and beyond. I am using IMR SR4759 powder with a 43.0 gr. charge with Winchester 209 primers.
What I like about the gun is the lack of needing to clean between shots when at the range, the only concern you will have is the barrel getting hot, which will affect your accuracy.
If you have any other questions fell free to ask me, I am more than willing to help you with any question you may have.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 17, 2008 12:11:40 GMT -5
Those groups are what I'm reading as well Gila
If I was to get an inline, I'd be getting a Savage for myself.
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Jan 19, 2008 21:06:50 GMT -5
OK, my mind's made up guys! I'm buying one of those as soon as I get back to the US in two weeks... Yes sir, I want one of those.
I't a shame I can't get one with a left handed bolt though.. darn it. I know, it's a muzzleloader so it doesn't make one bit of difference but i would like to have the bolt on the left side so it would match all of my other rifles.. he he
That's not enough reason not to buy one though. yup, I will add one to my collection.
Thanks Redhawk1. I might be asking a ton of questins once I actually get one and start playing with it.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 19, 2008 22:57:49 GMT -5
As you say, the bolt shouldn't be a big deal --- after all it's a muzzleloader and the bolt is practically non-functional.
Tang safety; so it doesn't matter.
Good choice
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Jan 20, 2008 11:03:03 GMT -5
Yea, you're absolutely right. I just hate to actually lay down the cash for any firearm that is designed for a right handed shooter. Even if it will work for a left hended shooter, it was still designed to be used right handed. It just pisses me off to spend my hard earned bucks for somethig with the bolt on the wrong side. lol
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Post by Redhawk1 on Jan 20, 2008 14:27:19 GMT -5
Gila, any questions you have fire away, I would be glad to answer them for you.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 20, 2008 16:38:09 GMT -5
Not to change your mind, but knight does make a left handed 50 cal bolt. Costs is a good deal more than the savage you're looking at and it doesn't shoot smokeless powder.
But it is left hand.
Also knight made a break open muzzleloader last year that is like the Encore (only the knight doesn't look like crap) in that you can get additional centerfire barrels. I can't find it on knight's website so I wonder if it's discontinued already.
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Post by Redhawk1 on Jan 20, 2008 20:17:54 GMT -5
Purebred Redneck, the only thing wrong with the M/L you are suggesting is, it is a Knight. ;D I am not a Knight fan at all.  |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 20, 2008 23:01:56 GMT -5
I would agree EXCEPT you no longer are forced to use the stupid plastic primer holders. You can use a bare 209. The bad news...you have to buy the stupid conversion kit for 20 bucks  They get you either way 1. Buy 20 dollars worth of the stupid red things OR 2. Buy the conversion for 20 dollars  I agree, the only thing wrong with knight is that they are knight. Guns 1/2 the cost are pretty much the same. However, for someone like Gila, knight quality is a step (a leap) up from most of the other brands. |
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Post by Redhawk1 on Jan 21, 2008 9:00:45 GMT -5
If the Savage won't work for him because of the left hand issue, an Omega or Encore would be what I would recommend.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 22, 2008 12:26:34 GMT -5
Like you with knight, I just can't get on the TC bandwagon.
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Post by Redhawk1 on Jan 22, 2008 12:48:38 GMT -5
I am not on the Bandwagon, I just know from actual experience they shoot good. I have owned Encores and Omegas since they came out, I gave up Knight as soon as T/C came out with them. I am also not a CVA or Traditions fan either.
T/C and Savage is all I will ever own when it comes to Muzzleloaders..
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 22, 2008 12:51:23 GMT -5
I'm bias against the TC products because one time I picked up on of their bolt-inlines rifle and the safety moved from safe to fire with gravity depending on what direction the barrel was pointed. You didn't even have to touch it !
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