Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Jan 4, 2008 16:36:37 GMT -5
Wow, I like what I see here.  This is my idea of what I need for today's hunting in my part of the world.  Anyone have one of these or use one?  www.savagearms.com/muzzleloader_home.htmWell, checked to see what these babys are selling for at GunBroker dot com ... crap!  Almost $600 for the camo stocked stainless model pictured above. A little cheaper for the blued one with a black stock.  This one is nearly $500  |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 4, 2008 17:17:01 GMT -5
Yeah, you have to look what you're getting too.
It's essentially a centerfire quality savage rifle.
You're getting the accutrigger. And you're getting the best accuracy in muzzleloading.
90% of the muzzleloaders on the market are pieces of crap quality wise.
Now a 100 dollar muzzleloader shoots the same as the 1000 dollar muzzleloader. But the welding, finish, fit, trigger, etc --- everything is a mess with the quality of cheap guns.
Now the savage will shoot smokeless powder which is a HUGE advantage in terms of time efficency. It's takes about an hour to clean a blackpowder rifle. The savage --- about 30 seconds.
The only problem is you apparantly have to replace a piece every 30-60 shots (it's not the nipple b/c it doesn't have one but it's basically the same thing. whatever you call that flash channel).
Now that can last several years and it doesn't cost a lot to replace, but it's a matter of finding it in 20 years.
If I was to get an inline, I'd buy the savage.
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Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Jan 4, 2008 17:46:33 GMT -5
See, that's what I'm thinking. A lot of the better quality hunts in New Mexico are muzzleloader only. Even if some of the better units offer a hunt with a rifle, the tags are next to impossible to get. Tags are much easier to get for a muzzleloader though. In new Mexico, we can use a rifle like this no problem. Also, telescopic sights are not a problem either. Elk tags for a rifle hunt are next to impossible to draw and the number of units allowing rifle hunting gets smaller in number each year. This sort of weapon should be able to handle an elk just fine as well as a big boddied Desert Muley (again, many places rifle tags are hard to draw and a number of the untis don't have rifle hunts at all). If I want to continue to make quality hunts in my home state, I think I am being forced to own something liek this so I can get the tags to be able to hunt in the first place. I've done a lot of bow hunting the last couple of years I was home, but that was a huge waste of my time and money in my opinion. This might be a better solution.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 4, 2008 18:01:19 GMT -5
For someone like you, the savage would be a 250 yard gun where as most muzzleloaders would be more like 150 for you.
You can load these things hot as hell.
They also make a stainless/laminate that is probably very heavy. But worth looking at.
From what I gather, there are only certain powders you can use. I think most are shotgun powders.
there's a savage forum out there that is pretty good. Do a search and you're likely to find it. I think it's savage shooters. I can't get on work though so I'm not 100% sure.
Good info there
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Post by klsm54 on Jan 4, 2008 18:01:34 GMT -5
If I was buying an in-line, I'm pretty sure it would be the Savage. I like the fact that it is essentially a bolt action rifle. As such it would feel natural to me. And for longer ranges in the western states I'd be confident in Savage accuracy. $600.00 is a bargain for what is basically a nice hunting rifle.....  So many other companies seem to have resorted to gimmicks and weird ass styling on their in-lines...  ...Not for me. |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 4, 2008 23:49:33 GMT -5
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Post by jimiowa on Jan 4, 2008 23:53:23 GMT -5
There's a Ruger 77/50 sitting here in the closet. Belongs to my son. I've offered to shoot it for him. But He does not want me blowing holes in it? ;D
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Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Jan 8, 2008 16:59:30 GMT -5
I'm leaning more towards this one: www.savagearms.com/10mlssiicamo.htmThere's a Ruger 77/50 sitting here in the closet. Belongs to my son. I've offered to shoot it for him. But He does not want me blowing holes in it? ;D That's just too funny jimiowa That's the way I feel about the 77s too..  |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 8, 2008 17:09:55 GMT -5
Have you held the gun or do you know how savage sythetic stocks are?
Kinda flimsy. I have it and am halfway satisfied but I don't know if you would be.
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Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
Posts: 622
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Post by Gila on Jan 8, 2008 17:28:31 GMT -5
I have two of the left handed Savage M111FLs. One chambered for .338 Win. Mag and one for .300 Win. Mag. Yea, they are a bit flimsey. I like your description, but I think more than fine for the muzzleloader. I haven't had any problems with the stocks on the two mentioned above other than the rifles buck a bit and I had to install muzzlebrakes on both of them. I may put one or both into wooden stocks at some time or other. I like the camo stock for the muzzleloader though Red. Cool looking! ;D
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 8, 2008 17:32:44 GMT -5
I like the camo stock for the muzzleloader though Red. Cool looking! ;D That it is |
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Post by jimiowa on Jan 8, 2008 18:55:06 GMT -5
I'm leaning more towards this one: www.savagearms.com/10mlssiicamo.htmThere's a Ruger 77/50 sitting here in the closet. Belongs to my son. I've offered to shoot it for him. But He does not want me blowing holes in it? ;D That's just too funny jimiowa That's the way I feel about the 77s too.. It's not that I have problem with the 77 it's that real Muzzleloaders have sidelocks ;D in my opinion ;D |
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Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
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Post by Gila on Jan 8, 2008 19:18:35 GMT -5
Oh, sorry, I just don't like the M77 Rugers. ;D
Yup, real muzzleloaders do have sidelocks. I would prefer to hunt with a high powered rifle. I'm one of those that have little interest in muzzleloaders other than when I am forced to hunt with one in order to get a license to hunt. I feel the same way about bows too. I hunt with both of these types of weapons if that is the only way I can get a license to hunt, but I try to use the most modern type of each of thse weapons available or allowable by law to hunt with as I still will not lower my trophy standards just because I use a different weapon. For example, if a muley buck needs to score about 180 or more for me to be interested in shooting it with a rifle, it will still need to be that size for me to have any interest in killing wit with a muzzleloader or bow. Most guys that hunt with muzzleloaders or bows do it because it is the challenge of using primative equipment to harvest any legal animal. If I use something other than a rifle (or sometimes a handgun) it is usually because I was forced to use it or stay home because I couldn't get a tag.
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Post by klsm54 on Jan 8, 2008 23:26:21 GMT -5
The laminated stocks are nice, and I'm sure a better stock than the synthetics. But DAMN! They are heavy. Look at the specs. .. If you walk 1/4 mile and sit in a stand, that weight is no problem. But an extra full pound is a lot of weight if you spend most of the day hoofing it up down hills. |
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Gila
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and a Vernier sight. It's marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further.
Posts: 622
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Post by Gila on Jan 9, 2008 15:43:43 GMT -5
There was a point in my life when I thought laminated stocks were the way to go. I never owned one but saw plenty of them in use. I went through a lot of dieeferent stages with my preferences for stocks. Now, I like most all of them, but the laminated stocks are on the bottom of my list and the classic solid walnut stocks on the top of the list. Synthetic stocks fit somewhere in the middle. I just don't care for the looks of a laminated stock for some odd reason. I do like all the newer camo synthetic stocks available for various rifles. Those are cool.. even if the camo is on one of those flimsy Savage stocks.. It does look cool! ;D
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