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Post by Purebred Redneck on Apr 6, 2007 8:44:09 GMT -5
I don't know if this info is available to the public yet or not but CVA is going to release a new gun this fall. There is no cap or primer. You pull the hair trigger and that sends an electric signal to a lithem battery that shoots out an electronic spark that ignites the powder. IT'S MORE HIGH TECH THAN A FRIGIN GAS BBQ GRILL. No way does this thing EVER need to be in the woods !!!!  Enoughs enough. For God's sake just take muzzleloader season away and make it a single shot rifle season. Put a extended plug in the shotguns, take the magazines out of the rifles, use the encores. Just make it single shot centerfire for gods sake and be done with it. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 6, 2007 8:56:11 GMT -5
Red, I agree. The reason for all this technology in ML's is because of the new powders and pellets. It does not ignite as easly as black powder does and therefore does not give as good on the accuracy dept. So to fix the problem they come out with better and better ignition. My solution is a bit differant. Go back to black powder and clean the dam thing. Cleaning is another problem. Most guys just want to try Muzzleloading season once in a while and so they buy one and go hunting. They come home tired and say heck with it and leave the gun set for 6 or 8 months and think "Man I should clean that thing" find out that its already ruined.  My answer to that is "GOOD" if they wern't going to take care of it they shouldn't of bought it. My old traditional ML works just fine and does not need an electric button or a battery to make it go off or to make it shoot accuratly. Seems to me the gimmic market is getting to be too complicated. |
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Post by bounce on Apr 6, 2007 10:03:58 GMT -5
Everything right is wrong..... everything wrong is right!!!! Even in muzzelloading. Us baby boomer's are makeing a lousy showing after the Greatest Generation. Sorry But I am pukeing all over myself.
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Post by klsm54 on Apr 6, 2007 10:53:03 GMT -5
That is just disgusting... Why don't they just make deer sniffing freakin' bullets so there would be no need for sights. Hunting is supposed to be a sport, and for it to remain a sport there must be some challenge. Technology has it's place, but this is just not the place for that kind of technology.... See what happens when you give 'em their in-lines... There is no limit to what manufacturers will come up with next to ruin this sport. |
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Post by jabba on Apr 6, 2007 13:18:44 GMT -5
Yeah... that just OVER the line! I'm all for in-lines but this is just rediculous!
It'll just get them screwed. Something to NOT work.
[on my soap box]
I still don't see how this RUIN's your season, except by making the woods crowded.
You don't HAVE to use 'em.
Me, I don't want one... so I am not gonna buy one.
You guys shouldn't be allowed to smoke cause I don't like to. You shouldn't be allowed to drink either... cause I don't like to. The CEO of Cabela's shouldn't make a crap load of money cause you don't.
[off my soap box]
Jabba
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Post by twomoons on Apr 6, 2007 15:16:23 GMT -5
Hold on there fellows...
You use a SPARK to set off your flinter Right! So a spark is just a spark and this makes this gun a kissin' cousin to a flintlock and definatly eligible for M/L season. They had Inlines that was set off with a spark in 1650 so we should be able to use them today, right? Meanwhile for rifle season I am working on a self guided heat seeking bullet for the 30-06, you can sit in your living room warm and dry and never worry about missing a deer. After all we need to make our sport??? as clean and waterproof and sure fire as possible, dont we?
Now we will combine electric ignition with smokless powder and pointed copper slugs in plastic sabots all attached with a plastic srting for quick reloads and we have the ultimate muzzleloader> HORSE S#$T!!!
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Post by bounce on Apr 6, 2007 16:15:08 GMT -5
I got to say something as to the CEO coment: He & they that allow this has nothing to do with he has it I don't. It's has to do with the power & control the companys have taken over in the last 35 to 40 years, 1. they control are goverment & politicions, 2. They control the ability of most all Amereicans to have fair & proper work conditions & wages. 3 They are the resion we have the illigall problem. 4. Some are in large part the resion we have a drug problem. 4. US companys no longer are American Companys they have a Global out look and no loyaty to America at all. 5 They want it all. Anyone suffering because of them is noconcern. If your not in high management your nothing and not much if you are. 6. is it's going to get worse!!!! They are out of step worse than the 1880's 90's and early 1900's
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Post by deputydon on Apr 6, 2007 17:45:12 GMT -5
Do I even HAVE TO RESPOND to this ?!?!?!?! You all know my feelings quits well on the subject!!!!!!!!
PS Maybe we could "hunt & shoot em" w/ the computer. Than cook em over the computer.......
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Apr 6, 2007 18:53:36 GMT -5
I still don't see how this RUIN's your season, except by making the woods crowded. First off, excellent post bounce... Onto the quote --- that is precisely how muzzleloader season is ruined. Muzzleloader season was set up for 2 reasons 1. a management tool 2. a personal choice a hunter has to make to go at it the traditional way, the harder way, but his reward was peace and quiet 15 years ago our muzzleloader was structured to where you would basically have to choose between a rifle and muzzleloader. They were seperate seasons and had separate tags --- you could only buy one of the tags. Also, you could only shoot 1, 2, or 3 deer (now you can kill as many as you want...hence more people in the woods). Used to be that deer calmed down a couple weeks after rifle season and you could basically go back to an archery type pattern for muzzleloader season. Now there's too many people in the woods (same centerfires guys go muzzleloader hunting to extend their season). And yes, I know...people can push a deer right into your lap...but that's not really what we want. We keep on promoting hunting so more people will get into it. It's too bad we're losing more and more land to development. Hunters are squeezing themselves more and more --- on both public and private land. It's very close to the point during deer season (archery not included) that I'm ready to say "forget it, it's not worth the aggravation". That's what muzzleloader was set up for...and it got ruined.  |
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Post by deputydon on Apr 6, 2007 20:04:06 GMT -5
I still don't see how this RUIN's your season, except by making the woods crowded. First off, excellent post bounce... Onto the quote --- that is precisely how muzzleloader season is ruined. Muzzleloader season was set up for 2 reasons 1. a management tool 2. a personal choice a hunter has to make to go at it the traditional way, the harder way, but his reward was peace and quiet 15 years ago our muzzleloader was structured to where you would basically have to choose between a rifle and muzzleloader. They were seperate seasons and had separate tags --- you could only buy one of the tags. Also, you could only shoot 1, 2, or 3 deer (now you can kill as many as you want...hence more people in the woods). Used to be that deer calmed down a couple weeks after rifle season and you could basically go back to an archery type pattern for muzzleloader season. Now there's too many people in the woods (same centerfires guys go muzzleloader hunting to extend their season). And yes, I know...people can push a deer right into your lap...but that's not really what we want. We keep on promoting hunting so more people will get into it. It's too bad we're losing more and more land to development. Hunters are squeezing themselves more and more --- on both public and private land. It's very close to the point during deer season (archery not included) that I'm ready to say "forget it, it's not worth the aggravation". That's what muzzleloader was set up for...and it got ruined. Now its my turn..............EXCELLANT POST RED!!!!!! With all the arguing I think that the in-line guys have got us so mad we tend to forget and they DON"T WANT TO KNOW why and what MLing season was set up for (BY TRADITIONALIST"S NOT IN-LINER'S). Thanks for reminding everyone!!! Putting it the way you did I would think most in-liners would feel ashamed to keep wanting to rant about in-lines rights. |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Apr 6, 2007 21:49:10 GMT -5
Now, for a stunner... I'm going to defend inline hunters here.  Is it their fault they want to hunt longer? No Is it their fault the rifles have changed in technology even more so in the last 5 years? No Do they have the right to hunt on public land during a legal season? Absolutly But somehow we got screwed !!! You know how we got screwed? The system screwed us. Ah, the American way - "screw thy neighbor in name of money" Let's make money and ruin the tradition that was generally accepted by everyone. Centerfire hunters didn't want to muzzleloader hunt. They accidently got drawn into it. One word --- Knight Want to blame someone? Well here it is right here - the one who started it all. CVA and T/C sold a lot more guns, but knight started this mess. |
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Post by deputydon on Apr 7, 2007 10:18:14 GMT -5
Now, for a stunner... I'm going to defend inline hunters here. Is it their fault they want to hunt longer? No Is it their fault the rifles have changed in technology even more so in the last 5 years? No Do they have the right to hunt on public land during a legal season? Absolutly But somehow we got screwed !!! You know how we got screwed? The system screwed us. Ah, the American way - "screw thy neighbor in name of money" Let's make money and ruin the tradition that was generally accepted by everyone. Centerfire hunters didn't want to muzzleloader hunt. They accidently got drawn into it. One word --- Knight Want to blame someone? Well here it is right here - the one who started it all. CVA and T/C sold a lot more guns, but knight started this mess. Nice post too Red but.................. The OTHER post was and is the nuts and bolts of the MLing seasons............. This post is just cause and effect!!!!! |
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Post by dakota on Apr 7, 2007 13:00:06 GMT -5
I am thinking that neutron bombardment will kill -- how to make the muzzle loader that will emit these killer neutrons is the quest. That way we would not have to worry about loss of meat. Also there would not be a need to clean the barrel. Attach a laser guided system like the specail forces use for the smart bombs and we will finally have the perfect muzzle loader.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Apr 7, 2007 13:47:57 GMT -5
Well while you figure that out I'll go a little lower tech.
I'll make a tiny little taser, stuff it down the barrel, and pack it down tight.
After I shoot the deer, I'll run up to it and bash it's head in with my unbreakable synthetic muzzleloader stock...
No meat damage
How bout it? You load it from the muzzle don't you?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Apr 7, 2007 13:52:36 GMT -5
I wrote that post just to piss off Jabba ;D ;D ;D
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