A new load for my .45-90

[Bill]

I've been hanging around with Harlan Sage off and on all winter and playing with a few loads for my .45-90
Harlan owns Sagebrush Products which is a company that sells black powder ML rifle products along with Black Powder Cartridge products. If you need anything he sells I highly recomend them.
sagebrushproducts.com/ShootingProducts.htm
He has a new bullet I'm working up a load with. It has really small lube bands and also has driving bands and neck crimp band that is larger than the rest of the bullet. Its not on his web site yet ;D It has been an experimental bullet up till now and will shortly be sold on his web site and also Cabela's. The bullet is performing awsomly out past 1500 yds. Thats not the weird (for want of a better name) part of the whole thing. Its how he is loading them and a something he passed on to me. Its really kind of a neat idea and really shows up when you crono the loads. The extreme spread on the crono is around 10 fps.
The weird thing is, he uses a .003 coffee filter paper over the wad and under the powder. On top of this is a load of Swiss 1.5 FG powder. On top top of that is a .060 felt lubed wad. Then the bullet is seated ontop of that with light compression.
What really made my eyes pop out was the exteme spread of the load. No one gets that kind of ES from a .45-90. He is helping me get set up for this load in my rifle and hopefully I can do some 1000 yd shooting this year.

[Jack]

So, he puts a coffee filter wad in the primed case BEFORE putting the powder in? (if I'm reading it right)
Interesting... the idea being to keep powder granules out of the flash hole, I guess.

[twomoons]

This goes back at least to 1890 as Ned Roberts and Harry Pope both mentioned using a slip of cigarette paper. Now days you couldn't shoot those loads or someonewould complain about second hand smoke! I use a paper wad between the bullet base and the grease wad to keep from having the grease wad stick to the bullet.

Bill
I will send you M/V's book on shooting the single shot rifles if you don't have one, he goes in to a lot of this and claims S/D around 7-10 fps.

[Bill]

Harlan says he is getting the lowest E/S he has ever gotten by doing this. He says that the coffee filter paper burns with absalutly no ash at all. I'm off tomarrow and am going to go out to his business and see what more I can learn.
OH and yes he puts the coffee filter paper right down over the primer hole.

[Bill]

I found some more info on the bullet I'm talking about. There are some little tricks not mentioned on this page but you can get about 90% of the info here.
www.bpcr.net/site_docs-results_schedules/documents/2006_Quigley_Winner_Report_by_Dan_Theodore.htm

[bounce]

I see some holes for us pillgrims but for you technoguppys it gives you something to do!!!!

[Bill]

As long as the holes are in the X's Bounce. ;D

[bounce]

Well Bill as I can see that you can get 75gr in your 45-90 I have allways found anything pass 62gr in a 45-70 unrealistic, 75gr.? yeah right!!!!! and though that bullet maybe working with wite lighting?? in a shilo. It may give some trubble with minnie groves? How ever I do remeber a LEE mold that did not have a lot of room for grease that worked well in the Italian sharps. But I think the big thing on the bullet is the fact it's darn heavy and you shooting a long way not the design of groves as much as the weight. What is that White Lighting lube? as compared to SPG?? as it's new to me and maybe the most interesting thing I saw?

[Bill]

I have no Idea Bounce. Some things he don't share with me ;D

[bounce]

Guess thats why you & I just have peach fuzz on top? No fertilizer under the roots!!

[dakota]

The bullet I am hoping will work well is a custom one that has a very sleek profile, it too has small grooves and I am using white lightning. (Have not drank the stuff -- white lightning since I left Missouri.)
I know a shooter who uses a small amount of newspaper over the primer hole. The idea is that a small sprk is all that is needed, I guess.

[deputydon]

The paper over the primer hole concept while old is still interesting. It sometimes blows my mind that "the old boys" could figure it out. But..........they did and w/o all the fancy crap we have available. LOL Hell I wonder if we could have out shot them even w/ all the modern gadgets

[twomoons]

Bill
If you want over primer wads I have the punch and the papers, I'll send you a few hundred. I also have grease wads and seperators.

[Bill]

I already have them Two Moons. The punch also. ;D It was sitting on the book shelf behind my desk when you were looking at my toys on the bookcase.

[deputydon]

Bill please extend my condulences to Harlan and Wendy...........