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Post by Bubba on Feb 25, 2007 12:26:55 GMT -5
Thompson Center has a new (sorry 2M.... I won't say this too loud, shhhhhhh) in-line. It's called the Triumph. Looks like a decent gun. I've Googled a few sites and read about it but there's not much out about it yet. TC's web site gives a bunch of information but they're just trying to sell a gun...
Has anyone seen this thing? No one seems to know how much it costs. It has some neat, new stuff, like that "half turn" breach plug... I was looking at the TC Pro Hunter but it's $800 around here.... You can pick one up on line for $750 +/- but then there's shipping added and it brings the price up a bit ...
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 25, 2007 12:58:42 GMT -5
It is a nice looking gun - I especially like how the little strip of the butt stock goes to the reciever. I'm not familiar with inline designs, but an alloy reciever on a magnum rifle??? Could be why the extra stock piece is there  |
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Post by klsm54 on Feb 25, 2007 17:12:20 GMT -5
The alloy reciever would be much stronger than the piece of stock going into it. And, the barrel and the breech plug would be the things needing to be strong enough for the magnum loading.
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Post by bounce on Feb 25, 2007 17:32:14 GMT -5
I have not seen it or heard of it, but your talking a nother BLACK POWDER INLINE MAGNUM? ?? I got a secret for you boy's black powder is black powder. No MAG to it!!!!!!! Just more or less. |
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Post by Bubba on Feb 25, 2007 18:01:53 GMT -5
I probably wouldn't shoot more then 100 gr of powder anyway... but it's nice to know it would handle a few extra grains if you needed it. I just like the way it's constructed and that breach plug looks interesting too... For you guys that want it... here's the link: www.tcarms.com/firearms/triumph.php |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 25, 2007 18:05:52 GMT -5
Well with sidelocks the loads are ussually 65-90 grains. Inlines are typically 100 or 150. Rather that's what the shooters normally use. But I guess you'd have to shoot a lot of 150gr charges to shoot the gun loose I guess...considering most people won't shoot the gun but 10-20 rounds a year.
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Post by jimiowa on Feb 25, 2007 19:58:01 GMT -5
I would like to see someone come up with a realistic table comparing barrel length to to effective burn rate of Black powder and the synthetic copies.
My guess is in any practicaly useable barrel length about 100 grns of powder the max useable and anything past that is just ejecta that adds to recoil.
I suspect 65 - 90 would be most effective even with pyrodex, but they make their pills in 50 grn increments making charges 50-10-150.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 25, 2007 22:17:28 GMT -5
I would guess that a barrel would be able to burn more than 100 grains but less than 150 before unlighted powder flys out the barrel.
I'm not sure about the recoil. If a rifle can only burn 110 grains but you put in like 200 grains, then the recoil should be equal to a gun that shoots only 110 grains.
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Post by bounce on Feb 25, 2007 22:37:33 GMT -5
1st you will never yet I shure find a substiute better than black powder it's self. 2nd when you fill them up with like 200gr of black I know your shooting a lot of umph out the barrel, but I allso know if your useing a 1 in 70 twist or so barrel you will get more performance the more you add. just do not know the % of it that is waisted? But it's a bunch I do grant you as you increace the charge but you are allso still gaing performace allso. Worth it past 150? I dought it but then I'm not D*D or BILL
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Post by deputydon on Feb 25, 2007 22:59:36 GMT -5
Shooting in fresh snow I've never noticed any BP on the snow in front of me, shooting 220 Gr. of FFg in my .62 caliber rifle. Also my patches aren't burnt thru either.
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Post by Jack on Feb 25, 2007 23:42:59 GMT -5
There is a point- at least with my ML- where adding more powder doesn't increase velocity at all, it actually makes velocity go down a bit. So says my chronograph, anyway.
With my .50, a 360 grain Minie ball does best with 90 grains of Pyrodex. Much more than that does no good at all. I have to assume the extra powder isn't burning, but being ejected from the barrel.
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Post by bounce on Feb 26, 2007 8:58:23 GMT -5
I'm not going to say your wrong Jack, if yours is rifled for minie balls, For patched round balls to keep performing with heavy load one must keep slowing down the rate of rifle twist as the loads increase. just say 1 in 60 is good to 120gr for a 150gr charge 1 in 70 would be much better ect. Allso D*D you extra powder is buring up in the 10ft fire ball in front of your muzzel, not left laying in the snow.
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Post by twomoons on Feb 26, 2007 9:40:16 GMT -5
I just can't believe $800 bucks for an inline. These are the cheapest action to make. It doesen't matter what the receiver is made of because the barrel and breech plug hold all the pressure. Remember in a traditional rifle ther is NO receiver the barrel is strapped to a 2x4 and set off with a spring loaded hammer. Compared to say a good flinter an inline can be made from scrap and rubberbands and work. I once had an inline made in Africa from an old musket barrel and the motive power for the hammer was a chunk of innertube. If I were going to go inline I sure wouldn't want fancy wood but i would go for strong and accurate and would want a compsite stock. Now a composite stock costs about $5 to make a good barrel is say $60 and a firing mechanism and trigger maybe another $25. That leaves a lot of markup to get to 800. CVA's are running about 80 bucks dealer cost and with the right load they will shoot into 4" at 100 yards. The fancier CVA runs $129 and shoots just about the same with iron sights. I have never shot a m/l with a scope so I don't know how that would go. I remember when the White rifle came out. Now I know Doc White as he was partnered in Green River Rifle works at one time. I know why he quit traditional rifles, (not enough profit) and how he found a gold mine in inlines. I have this great idea of putting the powder and bullet in a brass case and attaching the cap to the base, I'll call this a cartridge gun and maybe I can figure a way to load a bunch of these into one gun. "think it will fly???
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Post by Bubba on Feb 26, 2007 12:09:38 GMT -5
2M's ... LOL... nawwww .. it will never work ... besides, no one would ever buy one ...
The $800 is a TC Contender Frame, which means you can interchange all the various single shot barrels they have for that frame. I think that's why the Pro-Hunter is so expensive. This Triumph is a 100% inline muzzleloader and will not interchange with any other barrels.
TC will not take any calls or emails to answer questions about suggested retail price... I recon the Triumph will probably retail for $500 to $600 ... but I guess we'll just have to wait and see....
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Post by twomoons on Feb 26, 2007 13:16:37 GMT -5
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Recoil is a factor of weight and velocity. If you shoot 110 graind of powder and a 200 grain projectile you will have less recoil than if you burn 110 grains and the other 40 blows out. The 40 that blows out is added projectile weight. I don't have the program on this computer but if I remember right that works out to about 3 fps more recoil than a more efficient load. Personally I would go with that new Savage M/L that shoots smokless. No mess no fuss and you could kill elephants with it. That's another one I shook my head at.
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