rolling block vs. sharps

[deputydon]

jimiowa said:

Thanks Two Moons! I won't say that was the best comparison of the Sharps and Remington I have ever read because I think it's the only one I have read ;D
A very detailed and objective review, I apreciate that.

;)Just think I get to work w/ him all the time........ ;D

[Jack]

"I remember a guy by the name of Don Zutz, he wrote for Fur-Fish-Game, writing that there was some unexplained phenomenon that caused a 308 Winchester to be inadequate for even small deer."
Well, suminableech! If I'd a known that, I wouldn't have used a 308 for deer since 1971!
Best one I ever saw was a guy in NY Sportsman magazine (that is actually written and published in Pennsylvania) who wrote their shooting column for a short time- he stated that the Civil War was fought with the 45-70.........

[bounce]

Jack The Civil War is offten fought with 45-70's........................on TV

[Bill]

You need to watch more TV Jack. Trap doors won the civil war you know. I know because I seen it on TV.
If you ever get a chance take a look at one of the Bodine Remingtons that Cabela's sells. Thats one awsome looking rifle and those that shoot them say they shoot as good as they look. Either way though, with the shotgun butt style stock and the pistol grip it seems that it takes the recoil out of them fairly quickly in .45-70. That carbine butt plate on the quigley in .45-110 will hurt you though and Bounces big .50 will do just about the same.

[Jack]

Yeah, I know...the Civil War was fought with the Trap Door Springfield (sure). Saw it in that old movie Birth Of a Nation, so it must be true........... NOT !
TwoMoons- very nice write up of the 2 rifles.
It occurs to me that the Remington Rolling block was being produced and shipped overseas in great quantities during the Wild West era- maybe accounting for why the Sharps was better known.
Kinda like the Colt Peacemaker is the revolver everyone associates with the same time period. Smith and Wesson was cranking out a ton of revolvers then, too- but shipping a lot overseas on military contracts- to Russia, among other places.

[bounce]

If it wasent a pain to load the origanal carbine bullet of 400grs. & 47 gr. of 1-f powder for me I think I would consider it, would anyway in the carbine if I was shooting it a lot but I don't and I can last up to 20 rounds with it, but boy am I brused big time, The long range target ,50 I can do much more shooting but would hope for a one day match!!

[dakota]

I won't say who the author is for Handloader and Rifle that made that comment regarding the 50-110. He writes about the Sharps all the time and I do not recall him ever mentioning a rolling block. It seems odd that in the same magazine issue another author made a statement that a 7-08 was a great elk cartridge.
Thanks 2m for your comments.
The first time I went elk hunting it was in Idaho. I carried a .308 in a model 600. Some of my hunting partners were carrying 7mm Rem Mag - 700 Remingtons. They 'poo hoo d' my poor choice of rifle, but I felt the 180 grain Speer Mag bullet to be a good combo for that rifle and it shot very accurately. As it turned out, I didn't get a shot at any bulls that trip.

[jimiowa]

bounce said:

Jack The Civil War is offten fought with 45-70's........................on TV

Well we lear a lot from war(maybe not the best things?) but it was the Civil War and those wimpy rimfire cartidge guns(44 ) that made it plain that a good cartrige gun was needed.
The Trapdoors just came a little late.

[bounce]

Ok though we get your point jimiowa as long as were correcting witers mistakes I will correct yours a little and probibly make my own allso lol. Though the 44 rimfire was liked by the few that had them and made the diferance in some battles by the units useing them, it was the .58 Springfield muzzelloader rifled musket that was the new & most used Highly regarded that carried the war for the North. Next and much more important & used Was the SPENCER REPEATING RIFLE in 56-56 rim fire, acualy a .52 this is the rifle that a captured confederat soldier by Custers 5th Michigan Cavalry said Spencers, load in the morning and fire all day!! so many think of winchester 44 rimfire henery today was this rifle ...not!! and Wichester was not in the game yet the Henery started as Volcanic. Something I find interesting about that time and the fast paced evelotion of the fire arms at that time is the fact that the Burnside carbine that I have was at the very cutting edge of cartige tecnoligy at the start of the civil war and by the end of the war was totaly obsolet and of no value to anyone at the time.

[deputydon]

Bounce did you know there's a orginal Spencer within a couple of miles from ya ?

[bounce]

The only close one I think I know of is probibly at the same place my new old combine is at? closer than that I do not know of?

[deputydon]

Yea I could have inherted it...... Now I'm hopeing Josh or Jess will

[bounce]

Phil has told me about it years ago, never felt like I had any chance at it back then. We did have a talk about you though and I think your allmost forgiven but your chances are probibly only just a little better than mine. lol

[twomoons]

Civil War Guns...
The Civil War, or as we prefer to call it, The War of Norther Agression, was fough with obsolete weapons at the choice of the war departments who still considered the rifle as a handle for a bayonet. By 1814 Pauly of France had mad eand demonstrated the first cartridge gun and with the invention of the percussion cap the muzzleloader was doomed. By the mid 1840's the French, most notably Flobert and LeFeuachaux (SP) had invented the modern cartridge. The pinfire and later the centerfire shotgun shell were in 1864 in England judged to be the equal of or superior to the muzzleloading gun. In the USA the Volcanic in 1858 was the proving ground for the cartridge and by 1864 the modern rimfire was fully developed. The Spencer was rejected on the grounds that it would WASTE ammunition. It is a little known fact that the Mauser Rifle was an American invention and the single shot turn bolt ctg gun was completely developed by 1871.

With a progressive war department the Civil War could have been fought with ctg guns, the technology was in place, the manufcturing was in place, nobody in charge wanted the guns.

[deputydon]

bounce said:

Phil has told me about it years ago, never felt like I had any chance at it back then. We did have a talk about you though and I think your allmost forgiven but your chances are probibly only just a little better than mine. lol

:DI'd rather it go to my boys I think they are @ a age that they will appreicate something from Grandpa. Although I think Jesse would rather have a tractor. I think either one of them would cherish the Spencer.