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Post by Bill on Feb 23, 2006 22:22:48 GMT -5
I drug out my black powder cartridge rifle last night. Its a Pedersoli 1874 Sharps Long Range .45-90 that I picked up last fall at a too reasonable price. "But Honey, I just couldn't pass on it for that price" Kind of deal. Whack, Whack Whack. Ok this will be the last one for the next couple months "Whack" ahh 6 months"  [ftp]http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/ArmiCategoria.aspx?CategoriaId=260&lang=en [/ftp] I'm looking to use it to shoot the long range buffalo matches that are held in the area. Still trying to figure out what it takes to do it although one of the guys and his wife who competes a lot said he is more than happy to help me. He owns a company that sells BP products. [ftp] www.sagebrushproducts.com/About.htm[/ftp]Pretty sure that Bounce, Dep-Don and Two Moons know him too. Sure seems to want to be helpfull anyway. (the only reason I posted the link to his place of business was I don't think they even knew about it and will find it interesting) I haven't competed in this before and am just learning. Haven't even fired a round thru the gun as of yet.  But its early and I have time to learn what the gun likes and dislikes. I think my first step will be to fire the gun but when I bought it I also got 200 rounds of brass and a set of reloading dies. Having reloaded for BP cartridges before but not the .45-90 or even spent time working up match type ammo for one I'm looking for info on doing so. If any of you know of any good links to sites that have good info on doing this can you please post them. Also any good links to info on shooting the buffalo matches please post them also. |
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Post by klsm54 on Feb 24, 2006 1:27:14 GMT -5
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Post by bounce on Feb 24, 2006 3:29:42 GMT -5
Bill you allways liked large loads, But your going to find a 45-90 a shoulder full at theise matches, So you need to figure the smallest amount of Swiss black powder and the lightest bullet that holds to the range your shooting. Do not use reg. Muzzelloading black powder that you have used in the past as it will not compeat with the shooters in this croud. Swiss is best but Goex cartige is real good too & spg lube of course. You would think a nearly 12# gun would not kick all that bad at least that is what I thought about mine in 50-70 as I had shot it in a rolling block & trapdoor too and thought they were pretty tame but not so in my sharps carbine nor in the sharps long range, The sharps just plum ass kick!!!!! and so will yours!!
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Post by deputydon on Feb 24, 2006 10:27:34 GMT -5
The Sagebrush site was indeed interesting Bill!!!!
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Post by deputydon on Feb 24, 2006 11:09:02 GMT -5
Bill you allways liked large loads, But your going to find a 45-90 a shoulder full at theise matches, So you need to figure the smallest amount of Swiss black powder and the lightest bullet that holds to the range your shooting. Do not use reg. Muzzelloading black powder that you have used in the past as it will not compeat with the shooters in this croud. Swiss is best but Goex cartige is real good too & spg lube of course. You would think a nearly 12# gun would not kick all that bad at least that is what I thought about mine in 50-70 as I had shot it in a rolling block & trapdoor too and thought they were pretty tame but not so in my sharps carbine nor in the sharps long range, The sharps just plum ass kick!!!!! and so will yours!! Bounce what the he!! were you doin' up @ 2:29 AM giving Bill shi$  |
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Post by Jack on Feb 24, 2006 11:43:34 GMT -5
Bill, there have been some articles recently in Handloader magazine (or maybe Rifle) by Mike Venturino, on long range BP loading for match shooting. Pretty interesting stuff, I thought.
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Post by bounce on Feb 24, 2006 13:06:21 GMT -5
When you get old you get up to pee and may feel like giveing someone shi$ before hiting the sack again!! something for you to look forward too DD or are you their allready?? lol At least I was home!! "Damit"
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Post by deputydon on Feb 24, 2006 17:52:36 GMT -5
ROFLMAO nope not yet Bounce lol lol
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Post by Bill on Feb 24, 2006 22:52:01 GMT -5
I'm sure a 12 lb plus gun shooting 90 grains of Swiss 1 1/2 and a 540 grain bullet are going to have some recoil. Not as bad as your big .50 Bounce but you know its going to hurt. Sounds like 40 Rounds is the number of shots and thats a lot of pounding but its also a crossed stick match so you can roll with the punch a bit. God I hate shooting prone.  My rifle has the checkered pistol grip and the shotgun butt but the buttplate is steal. Might have to look into one of those recoil pads that Sagebrush sells. The Sage kid that owns the business has a wife who has set some records shooting one of the Quigley rifles. She is about 5'2" tall and probably weighs around 125 and I keep wondering how black and blue she gets. I still have to find a set of Soul Sights for long range but we carry those so that won't be a problem. They come with a spirit level front sight and a full set of inserts and a adjustable apature peep to screw into the ladder sight.  We don't carry the Swiss powder but do the Goex but not sure about the cartridge so am also going to have to check on that too. I'm thinking that I will use a prelubed bullet as sold by Sagebrush somewhere in the 540 Grain but haven't settled on the one I want yet. They have a power factor that your load must meet to shoot in the long range match and if you go too small and don't meet the power factor you better have a good heavy back up load sitting in the wings someplace.  Plus I will need a drop tube which sagebrush sells and some of the vegitable overpowder wads too. I was always going to make a blow tube too but never got around to making one. Looks like thats going to be a needfull thing too when I get to shooting. Sheesh this could get as expensive as shooting ML compatition or even worse. |
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Post by bounce on Feb 25, 2006 1:22:05 GMT -5
Bill The primers are a big thing too, Federal are said to be the best, then Winchester after that stay home, I have never ever found Federal rifle primers sold around hear just in shotgun so use by nessasety winchester. Allso if you think about it, that 125# Sagebrush has to take a tremendious pounding day & night so a little 12# sharps would just be foreplay for her!!!! But it's going to battle you, you may just start thinking 40-65 mocho man!! As I'm shooting 60 gr powder & 450 grain bullet and that feels like a BIG 50 allright.
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Post by Bill on Feb 25, 2006 9:36:46 GMT -5
I don't know Bounce. My .58 with the 160 gr load and a 325 RB (my more moderate loading I now use  ) feels kind of whimpy compaired to what it use to feel like. So I'm not too worried about the recoil I guess Right now I'm just worried about getting it to shoot and then getting it to shoot some decent groups. Most of the guys that are competing with these guns are shooting groups of 1 1/2" or less at 100 yds. Thats better than any .45-70 I have ever shot. Course the ones that I have owned weighed about 8 lbs or less and ballanced just ahead of the trigger. This 12 lb gun feels more like a good ML rifle rather than a sporter like they did. |
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Post by bounce on Feb 25, 2006 12:14:40 GMT -5
The vegi over shot wads sound like something good to try as you do need a milk card or somthing over the powder, I think with all the case lenth you have I would put a card with a vegi on top of the card then the Bullet and I would use ether a Lyman 457125 -500gr or a LEE 90375 both can get you your 1-1/2 inch group allways lube with SPG Bill you can't compare the kick between a cartige sharps and a fine muzzel loader the sharps will win out every time and give you a limp & black shoulder you really start to notice it by 20 rounds and affter unless you have just gone numb so shoot in the winter with a heavy buffalo coat on Remeber I have the same gun just different cal. with no german silver to gawed mine. lol
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Post by bounce on Feb 25, 2006 12:20:14 GMT -5
A PS for bill, Primers are very important to get your group that your looking for
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Post by Bill on Feb 25, 2006 12:36:03 GMT -5
 Maybe that gaudy german silver will help with the recoil, Ya Think All I can say about your gun Bounce is "You Da Man" That bad boy has to wollop the tar out of you. It seems that most of the guys who compete look at the recoil sheild as "pussy shields" ;D Until they shoot the first match. By the time they get done with their first match most of them have a black and blue mark the size of a dinner plate Changes their mind real quick. Something else I am finding is that a lot of the shooters are using a compression load of almost a half inch compression on 1Fg powder with an vegitable wad under the bullet and with (in .45 cal) a bullet weight in excess of 520. Seems that their getting a volocity of about 1250 fps and with (to me an unheard of) 4 fps variation. Also a lot of them are using their own lube mixes. Sort of like the following. 50% Soy Wax 25% Neatsfoot Oil 25% Jajoba Oil Some are even using rendered venison fat and mixing other things into it. Most seem to be getting some awsome groups with their loads too. Seems that BPC shells have got a lot more accurate than they were when I last tried it. I was lucky to get anything tighter than a 5" group with my rifle even using some of Two Moons loads off a bench.  part of the reason i sold my sharps at that time.
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Post by bounce on Feb 25, 2006 12:49:34 GMT -5
I remember bill you had powder & a seated bullet and melted the lead on each shot in your bore, not a good method to drive tacks
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But its early and I have time to learn what the gun likes and dislikes. I think my first step will be to fire the gun but when I bought it I also got 200 rounds of brass and a set of reloading dies. 
Plus I will need a drop tube which sagebrush sells and some of the vegitable overpowder wads too. I was always going to make a blow tube too but never got around to making one. Looks like thats going to be a needfull thing too when I get to shooting. 
) feels kind of whimpy compaired to what it use to feel like. 
Maybe that gaudy german silver will help with the recoil, Ya Think 
part of the reason i sold my sharps at that time.