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Post by Bill on Feb 9, 2013 8:45:24 GMT -5
Been looking for something to use for concealed carry lately as I take a lot of gun buying trips into area's that I do not call safe. Last trip I ran into a shit load of druggies and those suckers are not right in the head. The only thing they can think of is how to get more drugs and do not care how they have to do it.  I had a S&W 642 CT for a short while but my good sense left me and I sold it as soon as I got it to fund another rifle for long range. That or a long range scope, forget for sure what in particular but anyway it went down the road. With what I seen and went through last summer on my buying trips though I have determined that another small carry gun is in order. I looked at a couple 6906's but they are just too big for what I need. Looked at another Colt officers model but it verges on too large also. So what I am looking at right now is a Ruger LCR in .38 +p which would be plenty to get the job done. Anything but an auto. At least with the revolver it can work from a pocket without hanging up or at least a hammer less model can. Just have to keep my eyes open for one at a decent price. I think I can pick one up used for under $300 if I watch for a deal. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 9, 2013 9:43:16 GMT -5
Consider a Charter Arms Bulldog, Bill. They're cheap, and in 44 Special they make a nice big hole. Same size as a 38 snubby.
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Post by bounce on Feb 9, 2013 15:27:25 GMT -5
I saw a very interesting judge at the Neligh gun show bill that suprised me, pretty small & light Not at all like the other models, Not shure I would pick one for what you say you want it for but I would shure consider it.
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 9, 2013 17:01:22 GMT -5
I second the bulldog idea but beware and check that they cycle correct on all cylinders and lock up tight. Charter arms has been owned sold and owned again several times. I would shy away from the Charter 2000 guns as they were loose before being shot, These guns were meant to be shot little and carried lots. I have bought 4 of them over the years. Have a good old friend that buys them from me. He ends up selling them about every other winter when things get tight as he does lawn service. Are we talking about pure pocket carry in summer. or light jacket weather and in the pants carry in bad neighborhoods. I have no good ideas on the summer only gun. I have none i can wear with shorts ect. The Khar Arms stuff is quality and tight for accuracy. they also require a 200 round break in period before recommened to carry. They are better quality than the Ke-tec or ruger LCP. They are more expensive also. The walther PPK/S is just to heavy to carry but I shoot them well for a small pistol, most lokely because they are heavy. I think the Germans made the best light jacket/baggie shirt carry pistol ever. The hk PSP 6.5 inches long 5 inches high 1.1 inches thick. 27 ounces in 9mm. Unique Design that saved a friend of mine life. The guy grabbed his weapon from his holster while he turned his back to get a weapon off the back shelf. Since it is a unique design the guy could not get it to fire and my friend shot him 3 times with a 45 hidden under the counter His gunstore I listed also. . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_P7fivehundredguns.com/ |
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 9, 2013 17:58:27 GMT -5
www.fivehundredguns.com/joe1.jpgThe story. But it was a 45 auto not a 357. Other than that the story is correct. The P7 is a 380 size gun. It is also one of the most accurate 9mm I have shot even with the 4.X inch barrel. Delayed gas blowback mean no real accuracy slide issues before the bullet has left the barrel. The JM browning design never did this and they have a camming barrel. The p7 is fixed. Night sights for lo light. Cons would be they are no longer made and holsters will cost you. All of this and I forgot you said no autos. I carry this. a 2 inch model 66 copy from Rossi. I purchased it in the 1980's with a model 60 copy for 139.99 and 159.99 for the pair. I sold the 38 model in 1997 to the same guy who i get/pick up the bulldogs for. I sold it for 260 with holster so I have basically nothing in this one. A 57 dollar 357. Just beware of full load 357 in the dark as they are blinding out of a 2 inch barrel.   Full underlug makes it heavy but I have a shoulder holster for it as they work best in a car/truck. the Gould and goodrich i bought use for 6 dollars. The speed loaders less than 5 each.
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Post by twomoons on Feb 9, 2013 23:48:38 GMT -5
Bill
IIRR Cabela's had some of the Beretta M84 pistols one time. i have one and it is dead accurate, feed anything and loves 380 hollowpoints. You have 13 ropunds in a package the same size as a snubbie revolver and it packs a little flatter so you can hide it on your svelte frame.
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Post by Bill on Feb 10, 2013 9:04:32 GMT -5
I put one of the 6906's back for me to buy. Price is right. SS slide and an alloy frame and fairly light but will get a lot heavier with the hi cap mag. Obummer would hate me for that one.  |
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Post by twomoons on Feb 11, 2013 9:22:28 GMT -5
The only thing you will notice with the 6906 is that for some folks they shoot about 6 inches low for some reason. Look any gun that DD hasn't destroyed in 25 years and umpteen thousand rounds has to be a good one!
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Post by Bill on Feb 11, 2013 9:42:37 GMT -5
I passed on the 6906/ Ended up finding a hell of a deal on a 6913 instead. Wasn't the Lady Smith but is the 6913 NL instead. Seems a lot of guys liked the gun but didn't like buying a gun that said Lady Smith on the side so they came out with the NL model for them. The NL means Not Ladysmith. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Me I would of been ok if it said Lady Smith on the side. Its worth about $100 more than the NL is because of it. The store had both of them but the LS was already on hold.  I am looking at sending it to Cylinder and Slide and have them work it all over. Trigger Pull and feeding upgrades plus tightening up the slide a bit for a bit more accuracy and then it is getting a set of Hoague grips. All so it is just a bit more accurate and user friendly. This really goes against the grain for me as I have hated the 9MM forever but I found that with 125 grain +P loads it isn't so bad a gun and it will handle the +P's fairly well as long as it does not get a steady diet of them although I doubt that the gun will be shot all that much. At the price I found this one I can afford to spend a bit more on it and get all that done. Plus the gun was described to me as being in about 95% condition. We will see when it gets here. everyone has a different idea of what 95% looks like.  |
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 11, 2013 17:10:41 GMT -5
That should work well.
Never shot a smith auto except model 41's.
My little rossi been with me a long time. Not really a snubbie not really a full size. Light enough to carry yet if I had to heavy enough to pistol whip with. Not the pistol whip hammer of a colt single action but should work well.
If you are driving alot I still would look at a good shoulder holster. Personally I would get something like the miami classic or jackass rigs, before i sent it to C&S. The smith model 41's I have shot were fine from the factory for accuracy and no feeding or stovepipe issues. Then again that is what a model 41 is going to do. Maybe those smiths autos are ok from the factory also.
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Post by bounce on Feb 11, 2013 18:35:57 GMT -5
I have seen DD"s to dirty to work LOL.
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Post by Bill on Feb 12, 2013 9:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by deputydon on Feb 12, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -5
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Post by twomoons on Feb 12, 2013 10:46:07 GMT -5
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You are sending the gun to Cylinder and Slide??? And I would have cut you a real deal. I AM Depressed!
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Post by twomoons on Feb 13, 2013 9:40:26 GMT -5
As I thought about this I realized that a lot of folks get taken in on accurizing a semi auto. Bill talked about tightening the slide to frame fit. This is just a matter of personal preference as a tight slide to FRAME fit contributes almost nothing to accuracy. The fit of the barrel to the slide is the important thing. You need the BARREL to lock up the same shot to shot and align the same with the sights shot to shot. That's why in the old days we welded up the barrel hood and put long links in the 1911's. The main test you want to do to a new semi auto is to see how much the barrel moves in the slide or front bushing and see if you can depress the barrel at the back of the slide. Eiither of these are accuracy robbers of the first order.
By the way nothing against Cylinder and Slide as I spen many nights patroling with Bill L or Stash. and many days in his shop looking and learning.
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