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Post by jimh on Jan 2, 2013 15:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Jan 2, 2013 17:24:28 GMT -5
I wish they'd go back to importing Mausers.
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Post by dovehunter on Jan 2, 2013 18:23:06 GMT -5
The article accompanying the link was very praiseworthy. I would think that it should be okay.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 2, 2013 20:47:38 GMT -5
I got the email from Remington the other day stating a new rifle was coming out. I didn't expect to see an abortion like this one. Why are cheap guns so ugly looking? Actually $400 isn't cheap...
They need to do 1 of 2 things
1. Keep the Marlin rifle under the marlin brand and just make Remington 700's.
or
2. Take Marlin's rifle, don't touch anything, and put a Remington logo on it. Let Marlin control what Marlin does best - rimfires and lever guns.
They didn't learn from the 710...or the 770...so what makes me think they learned this time? They are competing with 3 of their own products. Doesn't make sense...the Remington / Marlin market alone is so saturated with entry level rifles and then you have the competition on top of that!
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Post by Jack on Jan 3, 2013 2:11:08 GMT -5
I think, from a purely marketing point of view, Remington needs a cheap rifle to maintain their market share. And 400$ IS cheap. They tried that plastic disaster. . . was it the 770? and that bombed, although they still sell it. They tried marketing 98 Mausers under their name- I don't know why they stopped that. The cheap Marlin bolt, under the Remmy name, that makes sense. I'm not sure how much this new rifle is different from the Marlin X7, but the trigger guard is definitely different.
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Post by bounce on Jan 3, 2013 7:11:01 GMT -5
Just another black gun to me
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Post by Bill on Jan 3, 2013 9:50:28 GMT -5
The space they do fill with this gun is a competitor to the Savage Edge rifle. Sells for $399 or less and sells like hotcakes to beginning shooters. Where they miss the mark with it is the caliber choices. If Remington made it in .223 and .243 they would sell very well. Not many people will put their kids in they heavier calibers. Especially as light as this gun is going to be. What I never understood is the Rem 770 which was a P.O.S. It weighed more than a 700 Rem does, kicked like a mule, and was made in 7MM Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag and was one of the worst guns to give a kid that ever existed. Add in the fact that if you didn't keep the bolt oiled up it would drag horribly and was almost impossible for a kid to shoot or work well. Maybe this won't be a problem with the new 783. The heavy calibers will be though. Another mistake by Remington. But they will do ok for the group in the 18-25 age bracket that cannot afford a $900 CDL or BDL 700 and just want a starter gun and won't be affected by the recoil much.
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Post by jimh on Jan 3, 2013 10:13:51 GMT -5
the only SA caliber to start is going to be the 308 but i fully expect them to add the .243 & 7-08 in the very near future. i would think the .223 or 22-250 after that but just a wildassguess on my part.
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Post by jmarriott on Jan 3, 2013 18:02:04 GMT -5
It just seems to be the marlin X7 line with a remington badge. All rem/marlin bolt actions rifles are made in Kentucky, sparta I believe. So you roll these rifles to the rem stamping machine and turn it into a remington. Just like bushmaster did for the remington ar. Same parts as a buchmaster with rem stamp and increased price.
I wonder if I can get them to Microgroove one.
I have shot them before and for the money I think they are nice. Needs a new stock, The trigger is weird to me but so would be the accutrigger. The x7 and xl7 lineup goes in many popular calibers from 243, 7-08, 308, 30-06, 270, 22-250, and 25-06 so they have most of the current popular ones covered. It is Big Green so they had to throw in the old 7mm rem and I like that caliber anyway, Flies like the 22-250 nice straight drop chart.
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Post by jimh on Jan 3, 2013 19:23:38 GMT -5
This ain't no different than the chevy and gmc trucks being made and they just put different stickers on em!
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Jan 3, 2013 21:59:15 GMT -5
The trigger is weird to me but so would be the accutrigger. I dislike these kinds of triggers a lot! The problem is all the cheap rifles are going to them. I'm not putting 100 dollars into a 400 dollar rifle (which I do not even feel is a $400 rifle in the first place - that goes for savage, marlin, or remington). I would think adding a bazillion different cartridges to the lineup would add to the cost of making the rifle. And Remington has shown to have limited cartridges in the previous models. I'm a little surprised they didn't go for the 243 though. I think without a doubt it would outsell the 25-06, 7-08, 300winmag, 223, and 22-250. But I also think it would come in last among the 308, 270, 06, and 7mag. You have to stop somewhere I guess. And fewer 243's are not a bad thing ;D
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Post by flshooter on Dec 15, 2013 1:09:24 GMT -5
Wow. What vitriol for a rifle I doubt any poster here had handled when you wrote about it.
I recently inherited a Browning BAR Grade 5 rifle in 7mm Rem Mag that shoots sub-MOA groups at 100 yards. It's a GORGEOUS rifle with intricate engraving and gold inlays. Now, I'd like to shoot wild bore with some of the 7mm ammo I inherited, most of which is loaded with 175 gr Nosler Partition bullets. But there's no way that $6,000 rifle is going into the Florida swamps, nor will it ever be entrusted to the tender mercies of an airline baggage ape.
So, I started looking for a reasonably-priced hunting rifle in 7mm Rem Mag and came across an article about the 783 in American Rifleman magazine. It got me interested enough to go to my local gun store and lay hands on one.
Truth be told, it's not that bad. It doesn't hold a candle to the BAR or my .300 Weatherby Mag Deluxe for beauty or craftsmanship, but I wouldn't hesitate to haul it into the wet Florida back country or to check it at the airport. According to every review I've read, it'll shoot about 1 MOA and has a great trigger. I wouldn't even mind loaning it to my brother-in-law :-). I think I can live with that.
So I told Mrs. Santa I want a 783 for Christmas this year, and I found one at CheaperThanDirt for $342 with free shipping. I expect to kill LOTS of hogs with it. If I think about it, I'll come back and post again after I've worked up a load for it.
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Post by jmarriott on Dec 16, 2013 19:44:42 GMT -5
You are correct I have never shot that rifle but I have shot the xlr's from marlin and for the price they work well. I have a Remington/Cerberus hate thing going on right now so forgive me. The situation you describe is great for the rifle. A truck gun. Had a beater mosin for years as a truck gun and it claimed many a groundhog as that is the only hogs in Indiana. I remember getting 880 rounds of ammo so cheap for it I could not move My right arm for a week after a shooting session. Got to love inexpensive guns that shoot inexpensive ammo.
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Post by flshooter on Dec 19, 2013 10:15:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately my 7mm Rem Mag won't shoot inexpensive ammo. But will shoot ammo I already have, which is almost as good.
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Post by twomoons on Dec 20, 2013 15:52:06 GMT -5
From the repair point of view they are not desirable guns, they are replacable hunks of plastic assemblys. I have a 770 in the shop now with one little spring missing. To fix the gun you ship it to Remington and they replace a whole assembly for $70 plus shipping two ways for a5 cent spring. Another prime example of our throwaway society. IMHO the 788 was twice the gun at 1/2 the price and I would rather even have a Savage 340 than a new plastic Remington.
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