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Post by jmarriott on Apr 3, 2012 18:54:25 GMT -5
I know there are 1873's, 1876's 1885's and 1892's but a guy I started working with said he has a 1884 winchester. He is going to take some pic's and bring me in the serial number. He also said he wanted to sell it off.
From what he said it is 24 inch maybe 26 ful octogon with full mag tube, He also said it was in 40 cal. (40-60 maybe) (44WCF). I asked him about what the bore looked like inside and he asked what a bore was. I just said take so cell phone photos and bring in the serial number.
I have a feeling it is not a 1884 (never heard of one myself) . Maybe a patent date. I have a feeling it is a win 1892 (44 WCF)as I have seen them with patent dates of 1884. maybe a 1894 in 40-60. I don't see it being a 1873 with a 1884 patent date. But if it is a 40-60 I think the 1873 or 1876 is most likely.
It is no winchester short rifle but of course i got intrested and with my best poker face told him that sometimes the old winchesters are not worth as much as everone thinks they are.
My savings is almost shot, 4 rem 700's and a second win 52b reproduction shot my available funds until I build my garage, . Maybe he needs a win 52b and a rem 700. I do have 1000 in the gun fund. Maybe the winchester will build the garage.
Comments or Ideas on what it might be are very welcome. I think I am going to break out the blue book as they have a great winchester section.
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Post by bounce on Apr 3, 2012 19:17:32 GMT -5
No Idea, as the owner seems to have no idea. Just to say though a 38-40 is a .40 cal.
My guess is it will be a Winchester 94 in 32 - 40 so please call me. lol.
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Post by deputydon on Apr 3, 2012 21:28:22 GMT -5
Maybe a 40-82 ?
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Post by deputydon on Apr 3, 2012 21:29:24 GMT -5
But that would have to be in a 1886 Winchester......
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Post by Jack on Apr 3, 2012 23:48:13 GMT -5
Hard to know. . my experience is, that kind of info from someone who doesn''t know firearms is usually wildly off.
Heck, it could be a 10 gauge single shot shotgun for all we know.
Let us know what you find out.
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Post by jmarriott on Apr 4, 2012 16:57:29 GMT -5
I saw him again today, His grandfather did reinactments all over the west and mexico in buckskin outfits The guy said he played the part of a buffalo hunter.(40-90?) He has the outfits also. Along with a tomahawk and some other leather goods including a set of small walking saddlebags (No horse required) a old mining pan, Ect. Wants to get them all moved.
I will have info for sure on friday. I see him for 15 minutes at break and 30 min at lunch. I asked if it was case hardened reciever and once again he said reciever what is that.
I told him to look at the top of the stock where the reciever is and see if there is a model number. He understood that. Right on top. Silly old guns.
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Post by bounce on Apr 5, 2012 10:15:29 GMT -5
DD, 40-82 could also be a 1885 as well. I have cases & dies lol.
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Post by jmarriott on Apr 5, 2012 20:14:23 GMT -5
It is a 1886 and dates to 1896. I have the serial number and the barrel lenght is 25.25 inches measured from the reciever so It would seem to be either a 26 or 28 inch barrel if one was to place the rod in and include the chamber, .75 inches would make it 26 and 2,75 inches woud make it a 28 inch. over all length of barrrle in 40-60 would make it 25.25 plus 2.25 so 28 inch barrel and a 40-70- 40-82 correct? x
He is putting it in the car tomarrow. I will be able to look at it.
First question: How do I tell if it is a 40-60 40-70 or 40-82 or 40-90. I looked up the 40-60 to give a 2.25 max bullet size and the 40-82 is bigger but it is not in my loading manuals. I have a feeling 28 inch barrel and I hope pistol grip.
Second question how does one tell the difference between a heavy and extra heavy octogon barrel?
I have my price guide and we shall see what we have tomarrow.
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Post by deputydon on Apr 5, 2012 20:49:00 GMT -5
DD, 40-82 could also be a 1885 as well. I have cases & dies lol. A 1886...... I feel a 40-82 coming up.... |
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Post by Jack on Apr 5, 2012 22:32:25 GMT -5
A quick Google suggests that the 1886 was made in 40-65, 40-70, and 40-82. In the 40 caliber, anyway.
No mention of 40-90. There was a 45-90 chambering.
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Post by bounce on Apr 5, 2012 23:11:35 GMT -5
It will be stamped on the barrel unless the barrel has ben swaped out & not stamped. 40-82's maybe desireabe for some collectors but they are awfull shooters, I had two of them. They have their own rifleling that only works with one bullet, about a 260 gr jacketed bullet. To make them any good for shooting you need to re-barrel with 1 to 18 or the like. If its a 40-82 you either collect it or rebuild it to shoot.
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Post by deputydon on Apr 6, 2012 7:54:12 GMT -5
I remember your battles w/ trying to make them shoot Bounce......... Expensive wall hangers....
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Post by jmarriott on Apr 6, 2012 20:30:32 GMT -5
Well I saw it.
Right on the barrel it says 45-70. So where he got 40 cal I have no idea.
All case coloring is gone left is a plain silver reciever, BURL is engraved on the bottom of the lever. regular octogon barrel not extra heavy, patina has set in with lots of legitimate wear and tear in the wood but no major cracks or chips. Some screws that are a little boogered up but none of them are truely unuseable . It has a flip up sight that reads 10 to 1 soo a 1000 yard sight that also works as a buckhorn when down. Rifling is good and a little shine left in the barrel a bit of crap in some of the lands that might clean out or not. l. A few scraps and scratches includin a few on the reciever side.
A piece of history for sure but not the fine quality rifle I was thinking it would be. I would grade it at 20-30 % NRA. The name engraved in it makes it 10-20 %. It is a truely un refinished old winchester.
It is not going to get me a new garage for sure. I think I will make a low ball offer of 550 take it or leave it. I know that 1400 is the blue book and 10% for octogon and 30 for 45-70 so about 1800 at the most. I think it might make very good trade bait.
Sorry for the fever pitch on the board. It is a nice old find and might be a shooter but not a collector piece for sure.
He also has a 9 shot pistol in 22 lr and a 38 victory pistol. The buckskin stuff and the saddle bags. Looks like I am going to is house next weekend to mushroom hunt.
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Post by Jack on Apr 7, 2012 9:10:12 GMT -5
That sounds like a good shooter for someone that wants a 45-70.
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Post by dovehunter on Apr 7, 2012 13:57:02 GMT -5
jmarriott:
You never did tell us what model it was. Was it an 1886?
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