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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 21, 2012 22:10:15 GMT -5
I picked up an Undertaker on clearance for $10 last year and thought I'd try it out. I only shot one 3 1/2", 2 1/4oz 6's (yeah, I'm not fooling around) ;D at a paper grocery bag at 40 steps but it seems to be tighter than the Tru-glo I've been using. Hopefully it's not too tight - a dove load was about 12"x12" at about 20 yards. Ought to be ok. The pic is a 3" sticker at 40. That bird is deader than dead. Should be ok up to 50 - the other choke was and this is tighter. Attachments:
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Post by deputydon on Mar 22, 2012 7:16:44 GMT -5
Interesting.......
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Post by jmarriott on Mar 22, 2012 11:59:44 GMT -5
Seems like a nice even spread.
Have a friend with a custom turkey gun that is choked really tight. We hunted two years ago with me calling from one spot and him set up in ambush. At 15 yards he missed completely and the turkey ran right to me stopped. He could not shoot it again becuase i was in the line of fire. Darn thing looked at me, look at him. looked at me again. I could have shot em with a slingshot he was so close.
I think if he had a regular choke he would have got that bird. It was to close and he missed. Maybe he should have shot earlier or later.
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Post by dovehunter on Mar 22, 2012 14:09:36 GMT -5
I have never seen the need to buy after-market choke tubes. My three shotguns - 2 Mossbergs & a Remington - that use interchangeable tubes have always done okay with the tubes that came with the guns (at least in my humble opinion). The Mossberg ACCUCHOKE Extra Full Turkey tube does particularly well on my Ulti-Mag with Federal 3-1/2" Premium no. 5 turkey loads. I've killed three birds with it, one at 50 (of my) paces. Never had to shoot more than once and I always aimed for the head. However, if the pricey after-maket tubes appeal to you, then by all means go for them.
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Post by jmarriott on Mar 22, 2012 15:10:05 GMT -5
I think nothing in reds arsenal is pricey after market..... I think 10 on any choke tube is a good deal.
The only interchangeable tube I have are the old cuts compensator tubes. I just change the whole barrel.
The older shotguns like the win model 37 I think get a better overall pattern than the fancy choke tubes. Maybe the constriction starts further back and is more forgiving on the pellets. causing less pellet deformation. The best tightest patterns I have ever witnessed was a red label win 37 12 guage and looking down the barrel the polish was amazing on it. Like a mirror.
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Post by jimh on Mar 22, 2012 21:48:46 GMT -5
The older shotguns like the win model 37 I think get a better overall pattern than the fancy choke tubes. Maybe the constriction starts further back and is more forgiving on the pellets. causing less pellet deformation. The best tightest patterns I have ever witnessed was a red label win 37 12 guage and looking down the barrel the polish was amazing on it. Like a mirror. I have to say I can not disagree more with you on that one. today's chokes made by any reliable mfr pattern better than anything made decades ago, they tend to have longer parallel sections, smoother transition from bore to constructions and releif ring cuts in the wall of the choke tubes to separate the wad from the shot column before it exits the barrel so as not to blow up the pattern. but that just my .02 on the subject.
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Post by twomoons on Mar 23, 2012 8:41:36 GMT -5
Here we use a CALL and get the birds into shooting range, say 20 yards or so or even 7 yards for some folks. You come hunt with us and you'll take a turkeys head OFF with that thing. I'll be using my M/L with No choke again this year.
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Post by jimh on Mar 23, 2012 9:00:08 GMT -5
Here we use a CALL and get the birds into shooting range, say 20 yards or so or even 7 yards for some folks. You come hunt with us and you'll take a turkeys head OFF with that thing. I'll be using my M/L with No choke again this year. Red i think you just got invited to hunt turkeys, at least that's the way i read it!
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Post by deputydon on Mar 23, 2012 13:47:40 GMT -5
Here we use a CALL and get the birds into shooting range, say 20 yards or so or even 7 yards for some folks. You come hunt with us and you'll take a turkeys head OFF with that thing. I'll be using my M/L with No choke again this year. Red i think you just got invited to hunt turkeys, at least that's the way i read it! ^%$!@#$% 2M's @#$%^&*
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 23, 2012 21:08:29 GMT -5
As far as chokes go, I don't buy into the marketing or thought of these super tight groups. I think a factory full is plenty, my tru-glo turkey (which isn't much tighter than a full) was more than plenty. But for 10 bucks this was certainly worth buying. Turns out it shoots a little tighter so I'll use it for a few years and see.
I know my grandpa's 97 full choke has won a lot of meat shoots despite it shooting a number of slugs and steel shot through it over the years. But the 97's have always been known as good shooters. I don't know enough about older shotguns to really compare old fixed vs new w/chokes. I like the looks of fixed choke barrels but geez, you have to buy 2 or 3 of them. Tubes are so much easier and cheaper.
Jimh, they're going to be really upset when they realize my back is so jacked up I can't even carry my own turkey. Don't worry, I'll fillet it out though when they get it back to the truck ;D
It's funny, when I hunted private land jakes and gobblers would routinely come in to 15-20 yards. I'd screw it up but at least they came in ;D ;D ;D Public land birds won't come into a decoy. They get so messed with before and during the season. They will either walk away expecting you to follow them or else they'll stand there at 50-60 yards away & won't come any closer. Bottom line is if you're on public land in missouri you HAVE to have a gun that will kill a turkey at 50 yards. Conventional shells and reasonable chokes have the capability to do that.
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Post by jimh on Mar 24, 2012 13:51:58 GMT -5
at 50 yards I would want #5s or even 4s , but the 6s still can do it although it is out of it's effective range IMHO
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 24, 2012 14:36:02 GMT -5
Kind of a catch 22
Do you want a half dozen pellets which a few are going to hit the sweet spot but might be weak?
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Do you want a few pellets with more power but might not hit the sweet spot at all?
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Post by Jack on Mar 24, 2012 19:20:33 GMT -5
When you reach the 50 yard mark, maybe it's time to switch to some of the heavier type shot, like Hevi Shot, to be effective at longer distances. A friend of mine has a Benelli, I believe, and an aftermarket choke, and shoots Hevi Shot. He's killed a gobbler at a measured 60 yards. The trouble is, those fancy shots are super expensive.
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Post by jmarriott on Mar 25, 2012 1:28:14 GMT -5
I had the 870 barrel fever for a long time. Got the modified with the first shotgun with vent rib. Got a smooth bore 18 1/2 inch slug next. Then a x-full vent rib, and skeet, then came my father in laws with the cutts comp and a second smooth bore slug, have a mossburg for the 870 in rifled slug and a hasting cantiviever rifled slug,
I did almost order a hasting straight rifled barrel with chokes once. One of the great rewards of the 870 is there always stuff around for them and with us being a slug/muzzleloader/bow state for deer for many years lots of take off barrels were at gunshops traded in on rifled barrels for deer season. I still look on the shotgun barrel rack of most gun store to this day.
When there are 10 million doner shotguns around I figure I will have plenty to choose for in the future.
I also might sell the hasting slug barrrel in the future before deer season. I only use shotgun now for special reduction hunts that do not let you bring handguns and rifles. That mossburg barrel is ugly but it slings federal sabot slugs like they were made for each other.
Guess i need to get a rem choke barrel and test the tubes verses the fixed choke stuff.
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Post by bounce on Mar 25, 2012 7:24:27 GMT -5
I think their is more chokeing to moderen shells than to the choke them selves, A cyl barrel can shoot a drarn good pattern today And Full choke is obsolete except for turkey, That is if you think you need it? A side x side with CYL & mod is all anyone needs with modern shells. Even with a 20" barrel
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