Silent hunting In Indiana without a bow.

[jmarriott]

Yes that is right, suppressor hunting might be on it's way to Indiana.

www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2012&session=1&request=getBill&docno=243

Since I went and shot lots of NFA weapons at the NFA DAY SHOOT I have a new respect for these items. I want a 22 can. I have done my research and the little old state of Indiana has a very good maker In huntertown Arms. I might as well keep my money local. Except for the tax stamp. I still liked the full auto suppressed short barreled riflle UZI 9mm the best or the PPKS in full auto. I just can not afford them.

This is the one I am looking at, Mainly for the easy way to cleans (Toss it in the tumbler) and the warranty:

Our Warranty
Huntertown Arms warranties its suppressors for life against everything but stupid


www.huntertownarms.com/kestrel22.php

Anyone have experance with suppressors in general or in hunting with one.

I have a couple of near perfect hosts that would work like a 22 hornet barrel for the contender rifle and a 22 bullberry barrel for the same. Last year I paid 125 for a threaded barrel for the ruger Mark II also. The pistol with this can a bb gun is as loud and the contender even less.

This one is not a WET can so the first shot kind charges the can and the second shot and after is near silent.

If I can deer hunt with one I might just have to give that a try also. I have a few little pockets I no longer hunt in the mornings because over the years people have built homes near the woods.

It is going to cost me money to Uncle sam also. Plus a wait that can be over 7 months. I like my purchases to give me instant satisfaction, This is going to drive me crazy.

[Purebred Redneck]

I always felt rifle hunting in a semi-urban environment has nothing to do with the noise. The bullets are still going somewhere.

I haven't rifle hunted in 5-6 years so I don't even look at the regs anymore here, but I thought missouri started allowing silencers for those with the proper papers. I might be wrong though

[jmarriott]

Two of the houses that are built near the woods I would have 100% CONFIDENCE that no lead or copper would escape the woods on deer. It is just very thick (you can't even walk through that area. ) and the 44 mag would never escape that 50 yards of semi solid wood. (About 7 years ago a tornado took out the old trees and all new undergrowth is now so thick I think even birds fly around it.) Not that I would not wait anyways for a clear background per the rules of safety. Safety first. Now tree rats you are always pointing the barrel into the heavens so with the 22 using the slower heavier rounds to stay sub sonic it should be somewhat safer as at least the range is smaller.

My 44 mag hand loads are clocking in over 1700 FPS so the suppressor really would be a bit of a waist. Now with a 22 lr or 22 hornet I could easy get the 1000 FPS area and stay under the speed of sound so no crack.

I think the stigma of poaching still is going to raise it's ugly head. It is not yet a law and the DNR would have to rewrite the regulations but I have a feeling that we are going to see this one pass.

[Bill]

Suppressors work for the normal factory loads for deer rifles. You get less boom from the cartridge just like the sub sonic but you still get the crack from the bullet breaking the sound barrier.
Lots of guys up here use them as their great for PD hunting. Yes you get the crack but it really hard for the PD's to locate where the crack came from and you can shoot a heck of a lot longer on a town before they all get nervous and pop down in their holes. There are some suppressors that you can change from one gun to another and also from one caliber to another. The get kind of spendy and I don't know why as Europe has been using them forever and the designs are out there and the price is pretty reasonable over there. Here it started cottage industry building them at prices that are out of site for a lot of people and they should not be. Suppressors also reduce recoil and make shooting way more neighbor friendly. In Europe its the norm to have them and here it is like hmm another way to screw us.

[deputydon]

I've been signing ATF "suppressor" paperwork for guys like crazy....

[jmarriott]

Feb 12, 2012 9:36:49 GMT -5 Bill said:

There are some suppressors that you can change from one gun to another and also from one caliber to another.

Some of the threads and adapters become suppressor parts from some makers and are not in others. So each suppressor part is another 200 dollar tax stamp. Gemtech makes a can with several adapters and you get it all with the single stamp. Huntertown adapter cost 200 stamp. I am lucky as the two threaded barrels have the same thread size and the bullberry match 22 barrel I can take to a local shop and have it done to match.

I would think if I were to get a second on it would most likely be for a 45 ACP and then maybe I could use it in 44 cal also. Some of my 45 acp rounds I use for steel plates just hit 850 FPS so other the
the stuff that escapes the slide the racking of a round it should be rather small sounding also. My marlin 44 mag has a 16 1/4 inch barrel so it sould have to be someone I really trusted to thread that one. The barrels are not in stock anywhere in that lenght to get a replacement if the threads did not line up perfect with the bore.

Deuputydon: I have to get my CLOE sign off also and in my county I can only do it on wednesday from 9 30 to 2 and thrusday from 11 to 4 so that also means a day off work.

I just might get a Short barreled rifle stamp for my contender when i do the suppressor paperwork. Then i could use a separate 10 inch barrel in the contender with the rifle stock on it an be legal. I think about 10 inches is perfect which would still make the rifle barrel with surpressor attached to about 16 inches.

[jimiowa]

Supressors for hunting is still illegal in Iowa.
But Urban people migrating to the country still have their urban paranoia and duck or hit the floor when they hear a firearm go off. Living 45 miles from Des Moines, I see a lot of Urbanites wanting to bring their urban regulations to the country and change our ways.
I think anything that does not stir up the Anti's is a good thing!

[jmarriott]

I fpurchased the supressor from my class III dealer last week. I still have to get the paperwork finished including the CLEO sign off. I have my 2 inch picture and fingerprints done and the dealer helped me fill out all the stuff. I did get the Kestrel can and have the paperwork ready to go other than the sig on the stamp paperwork. The guy who married my cousin works for the county sherrif office and is going to get the sign off done for me when I give him the paperwork this weekend. At least I don't have to take a day off work.

Good news on the home front is sometimes bad new on the state front. The law to allow surpressors for hunting died in the House of reps in the state.. The committe chairman let the bill die by not presenting it to the house. So no silent hunting yet.

I will be using it for range work but according to my class III dealer I won;t see the efforts on my stamp work and my cash layout for about 7 more months from when I finnally get the paperwork to them.

The SBR wil be the next step. The contender is going to be a legal short barreled rifle I just have to decied which one of the frames I will get engraved.

[Purebred Redneck]

May 30, 2012 15:36:13 GMT -5 jimiowa said:

But Urban people migrating to the country still have their urban paranoia and duck or hit the floor when they hear a firearm go off.

I actually don't think that's the case. Let me rephrase that --- I think that is the case, but it's justified in many cases.

What it comes down to is senarios like this one:
For 20 years you've been hunting a 5 acre woodlot next to the 100 acre ag field. Now that 100 acre crop field is divided in 3 acre lots. Now you don't understand why people are so upset about you hunting, heck you've been hunting there for 20 years (mainly because you have no other spot). It must be those anti-gun city people that just moved here.
In reality, I believe most of these cases are the hunter's fault. It's hard to give up an area, but demographics are changing; rural areas are now semi-rural. Semi-rural is now suburbs.

Bottom in imo - because you could shoot somewhere 5 years ago does not mean you can / should do it today. Research shows non-hunting people are overwhelming not against hunting. Therefor when people start complaing, I think it's time to listen. As I said, it's very hard to give up hunting a spot and people talk themselves into thinking it's safe, but it's unfortunatly time to move on.