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Post by xphunter on Jan 30, 2011 2:47:50 GMT -5
This project has taken a lot longer to get to this point than I expected it to, but I am very pleased with the performance. I was able to shoot this clone 10-22/MOA handgun (chambered in 22lr) for the first time this fall, but it wasn't feeding correctly. In spite of that it was shooting lights out at 50 and 100 yards. Hunting, holidays and winter time have kept me busy. The weather has been good the past two days, and I had time to run out and do some shooting. I had three different boxes of ammo. I zeroed it at 100 yards, standing, shooting off of a tripod table that was not completely stable. Got it zeroed and wrote down the MOA for drop and drift. Then we begin to guess (we were just having fun) at how much MOA it would take to get to 200 yards, then to 300, and then to 400 yards. We went from one brand of ammo to the next in the midst of this, and all three brands were shooting great. A local game warden (He is the one I called about the goose") was there and put three in one elongated hole (sub 1/4 MOA) at 100 yards. First time he had ever shot it-He was happy for sure. He also shot it at 200 with very consistent hits. My spotter, (Miles) shot it also and hit with relative ease at 200 yards on steel. When I got on steel at 400 yards Chuck (Mac's Gunworks) called a center hit and I quickly sent another. Tried a third shot but it had jammed. Those two shots measured 1.5" at 400 yards. Chuck also told me I had 4 shots at 300 around 2" Spotting was done with 5-22 NXS scope that was mounted on a custom 7mm SAUM Rifle, and a Leupold 12-40 spotting scope By the time we got the fire shell out conditions had changed. There were about 8 people in all out there this afternoon shooting. Action is a MOA clone 10-22 action that Rich makes www.moaguns.com/Barrel is a threaded Green Mountain. Laminated stock is one of Rich's. Just put a quick finish on it. Will round off some of the lines in the future. Kidd trigger. Picatinny rail by Rich. Scope is Leupold VX-3 LR/T 6.5-20 With ART Reticle. The ART Reticle made it so easy to get on target with, and make quick adjustments trying to get the MOA correct when making 100 yard jumps. I should have chronoed the ammo, and had an idea of BC, but we were just out having fun. After were finished at distance, I went back to 100, re-zeroed and slipped my dials. Didn't have time to take it to 500 yards, but don't really see that being an issue given the accuracy we are getting. Pics are not good, but give you an idea. I really had fun. This will be a great wind teaching SP for sure :thumbup:
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2011 10:29:35 GMT -5
That really is astonishing.
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Post by jimiowa on Jan 31, 2011 10:25:57 GMT -5
Really impressive!!
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Post by Bill on Feb 1, 2011 9:30:57 GMT -5
I was working on PD's last year at 400 yds and hitting the pretty regularly BUT I was using Wolf Target/Match ammo and its a standard velocity ammo. When you hit a PD at those ranges with it, about 90% of the time all it did was knock them over and really pi$$ them off. Was using a Remington 541-T HB with a Leupold 6.5X20X40AO VX3 for that one with a set of Stoney Point turrets to dial up the drops. Didn't have much left at those distances. I have been trying to find a 20MOA bast so I can get more elevation in the scope. I would really like to see what it would do. Not sure It will do any better than your doing with that Specialty Pistol XPHunter. The longer barrel on the Rem just does not help that much and I don't think its any more stable.
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Post by jimiowa on Feb 1, 2011 9:46:03 GMT -5
Bill I suspect your right about a rifle not doing any better than XP's Handgun. That far out It's going to be more about "Windage & Elevation" as John Wayne would say. I've never tried to get past 200 yds with the .22. Course I did not have the kind of equipment you guys have. I was just shooting a 10/22 with Butler Creek Barrel in a Houge stock and a Bushnel 4X12 in Standard rings. No dial in Just using Kentucky Windage. But if I judged my shot between the wind gusts I could occasionaly break a Clay pidgeon. Not very scientific, but fun just the same!
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Post by xphunter on Feb 1, 2011 10:51:29 GMT -5
The ammo I used: Remington Club XTRA (manufactured by Eley LTD), Federal Gold Medal Match, Federal Champion. We were shooting on a 1200 yard steel range that is just outside Chuck's shop, Mac's Gunworks. He has a backer for paper targets at 100 and 200 yards. Steel starts at 200 out to 1200 yards in 100 yard increments. I have had several asking questions how I had enough MOA to make the shots, without using “Kentucky Windage.” First, I had a sloped picatinny rail made, as I had this put together with distance in mind. Second, I am using a 30 mm tube Leupold LR/T. Third, it has Holland's ART reticle in it www.hollandguns.com/ Click on Advanced Reticle Technology. Holland' reticle is my favorite for LR shooting. MOA is internally listed in 3 MOA increments, with a dash/line every 1.5 MOA. This made it very easy and fast to get on target when not knowing BC or MV. Then once I got to 24 MOA, I dialed from that point on, using the 24 MOA line as my aiming point. When going to 500, if I run out of MOA adjustment, I will add Burris Signature Zee Rings (can put on 20 MOA there) or have a another sloped rail built. Shooting distance (after doing your homework and getting your shooting system put together correctly) is more of an issue of what you believe you can or cannot do, than what can actually be done. You have to be willing to fail to succeed in what many believe to be impossible. If I remember right, I read that after a certain point in barrel length in a 22lr the bullet actually slows down before it exits the bore. Mine is 15.5" barrel. This is not a Ruger 10-22 action. It is a clone 10-22 action. They are sold at Brownells as well. www.moaguns.com/rec10_22.htmlThreaded barrel... Kidd trigger-About as light as you can get in a 10-22 format. The smith put the action in a solid fixture, and had three chambered barrels (Benchmark, Douglas, and a Green Mountain). Groups were fired with several different brands with each barrel at 100 yards. The Green Mountain shot tighter groups than the other two to our surprise. I was betting on the Benchmark--I was wrong! You can guess which barrel is on that action ;D
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Post by bounce on Feb 1, 2011 19:13:28 GMT -5
No surprise to me on your barrel choice.
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Post by Bill on Feb 2, 2011 7:52:03 GMT -5
That has to be a fun gun to play with XPH. I have shot a couple of the Chargers and they could sure use some help as I really doubt that there is anything close to your gun there in the accuracy dept. Kind of caused me to give up on anything in the Ruger dept for long range. I do have a Kimber SVT that will shoot right there with my 541-T at those distances but its a bit awkward to shoot with the stock it has. Its a Blk/Gry laminate offhand stock and great for shooting offhand. Sucks for prone or bench. I have a 6.5X20X40 Nikon UCC on it and can't get that scope out to 400 yards like I can the Leupold. I might have to get a set of the Burris rings and see what I can do with them.
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Post by deputydon on Feb 2, 2011 7:53:01 GMT -5
Green Mountain always has been the choice around here!!!!
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Post by xphunter on Feb 2, 2011 10:23:59 GMT -5
Well, you may do like I did, and just start from the ground up. I see making the 500 yard club (Varmint Hunter Association) with a rimfire specialty pistol in my future ;D E That has to be a fun gun to play with XPH. I have shot a couple of the Chargers and they could sure use some help as I really doubt that there is anything close to your gun there in the accuracy dept. Kind of caused me to give up on anything in the Ruger dept for long range. I do have a Kimber SVT that will shoot right there with my 541-T at those distances but its a bit awkward to shoot with the stock it has. Its a Blk/Gry laminate offhand stock and great for shooting offhand. Sucks for prone or bench. I have a 6.5X20X40 Nikon UCC on it and can't get that scope out to 400 yards like I can the Leupold. I might have to get a set of the Burris rings and see what I can do with them.
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Post by Jack on Feb 2, 2011 20:51:47 GMT -5
500 yard targets with a 22 lr sounds like a lot of fun. Maybe I'm a S*** stirrer, but, to raise an ethical question, does 22 LR bullet at 500 yards have enough energy to make a clean kill on even a small varmint? I'm skeptical......
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Post by twomoons on Feb 2, 2011 22:08:07 GMT -5
Actually I think it would be easier to stabalise the "pistol" than a standard rifle stock. A shim under the grip and you would be rock solid. As to the accuracy the 22 has always been more accurate than most folks realize, but with wind the bullets tend to drift a lot. The best 10-22 I ever built was shooting under 3/4" consistantly at 100 yards but we never thought to try it at longer ranges, might have to take it out again.
The barrel on your gun looks to be abuout short rifle length, is it a 16"? The shooters here deserve a lot of the credit as connecting at 400 yards requires a firm control of the basics and absolute follow through.
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Post by xphunter on Feb 2, 2011 23:31:33 GMT -5
15.5" barrel
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Post by xphunter on Feb 3, 2011 0:33:58 GMT -5
Stir all you want. Shooting pd's even with centerfires do not always ensure "clean kills." I have seen dogs go down holes never to be seen again These are pests to the rancher. Like trapping or gluing a mouse, you do not always get a "clean kill." I do not consider pd's game animals and thus I do not have a problem if death is not immediate. Just as nature itself does not always ensure quick death, I know it may not happen. I want quick death, but I am not going to be up in arms about it, if it doesn't happen. It is not an ethical issue for me. Same way with a coyote for me. I shoot to kill it, but if for some reason it doesn't go down immediately, I know it will die, and there will be one less coyote around to kill cattle. You may not be able to do this with pests or varmints, and I respect your decision if you cannot. Last of all I have never killed a pd with a 22lr at these distances, so I don't really know what it will do. E 500 yard targets with a 22 lr sounds like a lot of fun. Maybe I'm a S*** stirrer, but, to raise an ethical question, does 22 LR bullet at 500 yards have enough energy to make a clean kill on even a small varmint? I'm skeptical......
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Post by Bill on Feb 3, 2011 8:16:35 GMT -5
Let me tell you, it really pisses them off when you hit them. ;D ;D ;D I was out with one of the guys that works for me last year and had hit one at that distance (400) and Matt said don't do that again or he will come over and open up a drum of whup ass on you. ;D The PD was really pissed off but he didn't know where it came from as those .22's with a 26" barrel are really quiet. Sound more like a pellet gun than a .22. I think you have to hit them just right with a .22 to kill one past about 350 yds, just don't know yet what that just right spot is. Funny thing is, with the .223 I am out to 636 and a lot of people think that is a long distance to shoot PD's but I really think I can do 750 with it and maybe a bit better than that but just haven't had the chance yet. 55 grain bullets do get blown around a bit at those ranges and you really need to work hard to read the wind. At those distances it seems the bullet does not open up and just knocks them over.
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