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Post by bounce on Dec 9, 2010 10:12:33 GMT -5
Cleaning with Co2 is much the same as lewis & clarks air gun that they shot a lady and knock her out cold. A bit to powerfull to save anything.
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Post by jabba on Dec 9, 2010 13:15:48 GMT -5
I often shoot one out, knowing full well that it's gonna go off. It's just piece of mind. I'd hate for my gun to NOT go off, when I have a shot at the buck of my lifetime, because I was too lazy or too cheap to shoot, swab and reload.
Jabba
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Post by dovehunter on Dec 10, 2010 11:57:45 GMT -5
My main concern with my original post was does the unfired black powder (Pyrodex or whatever) corrode the barrel if left in there for extended periods. I know they did that back in the old days pretty much because they had to and it was impractical to do otherwise. However I have always wondered about the advisability of leaving black powder (or a substitute) in the barrel. Incidentally, my gun is one of the old style - a .50 cal. Navy Arms Morse repro- that doesn't have the removable breech plug (or at least I don't think it does).
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Post by bounce on Dec 10, 2010 13:56:12 GMT -5
I havent had any metal powder cans corrode.
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Post by twomoons on Dec 10, 2010 22:15:03 GMT -5
This is how I do it and this is from my Grandfather who hunted with a M/L shotgun from 1906 to 1912. Leave the load in and swab the bore with an oily patch, take a piece of buckskin and put it between the nipple and the hammer to seal out the moisture and if it's cold out don't take the gun in the huse but leave it out on the porch. Next day pick the nipple before you re cap the gun.
As to using co2 to blow out a load, it works but,,, In the old shop I had a 90 gallon air compressor that ran up to 120 pounds and i had a attachment that screwed into the nipple seat and I would blow out the loads when they got damp ect. One day my brother came in and said he dry balled hs gun so I told him to use the attachment, point the gun at the wood pile and just blow out the ball. I hear the air compressor chucha chucka Psheeewww! Boy I hope he didn't run it up to.... Wham! A ball comes through the wall flattens on the side of the milling machine and wangs off the lathe where i am working. J@#$#@ C^%$#@!!!! Tom sticks his head around the corner, Uh sorry too much air? I TOLD you to point it at the WOODPILE! Sorry I didn't think it was even going to come out. A 50 caliber ball with 120 pounds of air behind it is about like 40 grains of FFG. I still have the flattend ball as a souvineer.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 10, 2010 22:44:14 GMT -5
My main concern with my original post was does the unfired black powder (Pyrodex or whatever) corrode the barrel if left in there for extended periods. I know they did that back in the old days pretty much because they had to and it was impractical to do otherwise. However I have always wondered about the advisability of leaving black powder (or a substitute) in the barrel. Incidentally, my gun is one of the old style - a .50 cal. Navy Arms Morse repro- that doesn't have the removable breech plug (or at least I don't think it does). I'm told the powder in and of itself is not corrosive unless either fired or if the powder got wet. The firing is pretty straight forward, it has either been shot or it hasn't. The caps are suppost to be non-corrosive but I don't really buy that - if that priming gunk gets on cheap steel that's already pitted as most traditional muzzleloaders are, then I think it's going to slowly cause a bigger problem. And you always pop a couple caps before loading the gun the first time just to blow out any carbon and oil and whatnot. And like TM said - if it sweats then it could dampen the powder cause a number of problems with corrosion and hangfires. The corrosion though is likely going to be at the powder level and not the bullet level. I don't think there would be any major throw the gun in the trash issue so long as the bore is ok at the bullet level and above. I kept my rifle loaded for about 2 weeks this year. I was going to leave it loaded for another 2 weeks but thought I'd better just go ahead and shoot it off and clean it to be on the safe side. It went off without a hitch and cleaned up nicely.
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Post by dovehunter on Dec 11, 2010 12:23:09 GMT -5
I havent had any metal powder cans corrode. Good point! I was just curious. I don't really plan to take up ML hunting. My MLs will probably stay just for plinking at the range. Here in Virginia you have to buy an extra, special license to hunt deer with a ML (during the special ML season). Call me a tightwad, but I can't see paying the extra money for one week.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 11, 2010 17:18:21 GMT -5
I wish we went back to the old system
Used to be you had to choose between the rifle tag or the muzzleloader tag. If you bought the rifle tag, you could not hunt at all during the muzzleloader season. If you bought the muzzleloader tag, you could hunt the rifle season too but it had to be with the muzzleloader.
It let those wanting to use the inferior gun (this was just as the inlines started to hit the market) to be left the heck alone. It was after rifle season so there weren't nearly as many deer but there was a 2 week break in the season. If you go 3 days you normally had 1 chance on public ground. Ah, the good ol days...
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Post by dovehunter on Dec 11, 2010 19:12:12 GMT -5
Our ML deer season here in eastern Virginia is the week before regular firearms season comes in. For some reason I've never understood, the ML deer season in western Virginia is after regular firearms season goes out - strange.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 11, 2010 22:46:26 GMT -5
When purchasing tags, is it one state-wide tag or are you limited to the east or the west?
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Post by dovehunter on Dec 17, 2010 14:27:25 GMT -5
When purchasing tags, is it one state-wide tag or are you limited to the east or the west? No, if you purchase a regular license it is good statewide. You can buy (at a reduced cost) licenses for just your county of residence. The rules and regs are the only things that vary for east and west and municipality by municipality. There are pages of local restrictions and it is hard to keep up with them all. Fortunately, I generally only hunt in four counties so it is not to hard to remember all the little local peculiarities.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 17, 2010 22:47:55 GMT -5
Right now our deer regulations are by county, technically. It's much more of a regional thing in practicality though - 2/3 of the state fall under unlimited doe tags and the antler restriction. The rest fall pretty much on no doe tags and no antler restrictions. There are a couple counties that allow 1 doe tag.
Because of the unlimited doe tags for the last decade, the deer herd has gotten extremely low in a lot of the state. Very soon I think they're going to have to go to a very complex system of units like out west where dividing lines are creeks and roads. The unlimited tags were more trouble than they were worth, so I hope all the greedy people involved are happy for the mess they're going to cause.
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