say good buy to M77/22 swap barrels

[dovehunter]

Mar 29, 2010 19:31:02 GMT -5 Purebred Redneck said:

...The factory 10/22's are inaccurate horrible pieces of garbage and the vast magority of 10/22's are monkeyed with...

That's a bunch of crap and just your weird dislike for Ruger products. How many factory 10-22s have you shot personally? I'll put my son's factory 10-22 against any .22 you have, including your Marlin model 60, and I'll bet that at 50-yds it will shoot as tight a group!

[twomoons]

Whee doggies Red this is going to be better than Polly Tics!!!! Now from a guy who shoots and sights in a LOT of 22's from re lined Remington #4's to brand new guns. Just about any 22 including a Chipmunk will have the mechanical accuracy to shoot better than any of us can shoot. From a machine rest a $29.00 chink copy of the Mauser training rifle will shoot into less than an inch at 50 yards. A Mark 3 Enfield with a conversion unit will shoot that good, FROM a machine rest. Now take that same rifle and shoot it off hand and there's the rub. A chipmunk and a 6'2" shooter are NOT going to mix. A rough gritty trigger, of poor sights is going to count against you and finally if YOU don't like the gun for whatever reason it won't shoot good for YOU.

I have (once agan) about the cheapest target rifle ever made, a chicom copy of the Walther. I rebuilt the trigger, glass bedded the stock and put on an adjustable butt plate. I made custom mounts for a 1" scope and installed a hand stop and rail. I lapped the barrel and lo and behold it was fairly straight. From the bench the rifle will shoot into 1" ay 100 yards. In actual head to head target shooting Off hand 25 yards NRA bull I have bear Winchester M52's. That doesn't make the Chicom any better than a M52 or an Anchutz, but it works for me. As our County Judge said after I beat him, I'd get one but it's so UGLY.

Now I am kinda harsh on the Marlin/Glenfield's and especially the 60 but there are some people (with no taste I might add) who think they are just fine. Now I'll tell you a secret, the only reason I detest them is that I feel they are overpriced! I fell that way about a lot of guns there days, but I know about what it costs to make a gun.

Why is a Ruger 10-22 inaccurate? For Red it might be a light gun with a heavy rough trigger and a somewhat sloppy action. Or he could just be a person of no taste or discernment who has no appreciation of the finer things in life.

[jimh]

PERSONALY in regaurds to 10/22's being inaccurate, i think you can trace that back to the trigger as mentioned and the barrel band messing with the barrel harmonics. even without the trigger work, removing that band can help alot. i'm far from an expert but i would bet money on it.

[Purebred Redneck]

No, I have not shot a 10/22. I've seen 10/22's as well as 597's on the range and I have yet to see one shoot what I would call good groups for a semi-auto --- even a semi-custom custom 10/22. I will concede I've seen an equal share of model 60's that haven't shot worth a crap at the range. I think user error does play a part in it concidering the bunch of derelicts I see at the range.

After years of looking at internet forums and probably 1000 different threads, the general concensus is that Marlin (and Savage) is more accurate than a stock ruger and a stock remington. The numbers are overwhelming and concidering forum users are typically more serouis than your average Joe at the range, I trust those figures. Marlins / Savages tend to shoot 1 - 1 1/2" groups at 50 yards and Rugers /Remingtons shoot 2".
My model 60 will consistantly knock over 12ga shotgun shells at 50 or 60 yards with no problems (aside from flyers). From reading about the 10/22 (cause I almost bought one at the time), I don't think it can keep up. I've never read of a standard 10/22 being able to hit 12ga hulls on any consistant basis at 50 or 60 yards (I'm talking about 80% hits).


Another problem I have with the 10/22 is simply it's appearance. Yes, it does have an M1 carbine type of look to it and I'm sure that was intentional. It's also true that it's not my look - I like a more traditional sporting looking gun and the Marlin is simply that. I think some of their features (barrel band and thin barrel) are the main criticisms in reagards to accuracy.
I will say the "Walmart Special" (as it's known) does take on a more sporting look that does appeal to me.

Finally, the price. If $150 is too much to pay for a Savage or Marlin, then the Ruger is just out of control outragous at the current $225 pricetag. I mean that's just crazy!


I will say there's nothing wrong with the 10/22 action - never said there was. In fact, it's better than the Marlin. If you put a different barrel and a different stock on, it shoots just fine. Again, I've read countless numbers of threads on the subject. But I don't think it's a wise investment to spend $500 when you can get the same accuracy for $150 (though you are stuck with the Marlin trigger that is quite heavy). This is a rimfire guys, it's meant to be cheap. If you spend more than 200-250 dollars for a rimfire, there's something wrong upstairs...it doesn't make sense IMO. And that's a bolt action --- semi's are cheaper.
Now yes, if I had some money to spend and wanted to personalize a gun, I'd buy a 10/22 with no hesitations because it's the best at customizing. But no one can convince me it's the best factory out of the box gun.

[Jack]

"After years of looking at internet forums and probably 1000 different threads, the general concensus is that Marlin (and Savage) is more accurate than a stock ruger and a stock remington. The numbers are overwhelming and concidering forum users are typically more serouis than your average Joe at the range, I trust those figures."
Did ya ever wonder why all the rifles guys own, when they talk about them on the internet, they all are sub 1" rifles? And then did ya ever go to the range, and look at other peoples' targets? They're not using internet rifles, as far as I can see.
"....consistantly knock over 12ga shotgun shells at 50 or 60 yards with no problems (aside from flyers)."
You'd be wrong about that.
"No, I have not shot a 10/22."
That says it all.

[Purebred Redneck]

I don't have the money, the time, or the interest to go shoot every rifle on the market. I read reviews and buy what I think is best for what I want. I have no need for more than 1 22lr semi-auto rifle.

No, I discount "internet rifles" that I haven't seen firsthand. I have no doubt they shot 1/2"...once... (though I will say my bolt action will average (a good honest average) about .75" with powerpoints and mini-mags. Some groups are .5 and some closer to 1". The semi will average right at 1" with powerpoints and about 1 1/4" with dynapoints)
But when multiple people give realistic numbers, you got to go with it.

If there's one thing in life that I'm good at and means the world to me, that's shooting squirrels.
As far as hitting 12ga shotgun shells at the consistancy I mentioned, that's not what I have read on the internet. That's what my rifle (both 22's and certainly the 17hmr [which can do that at 100 yards]) can do provided the weather is reasonably accomodating. Obvouisly if 100 degrees and 20 mile an hour wind, no one is going to be able to hit a barn.
Unfortunatly my rifle(s) becomes another internet rifle to you all and that's understandable. A 12ga hull is actually 3/4" wide (as I have it in my hand now). So my experience at least adds up to a realistic story that if you aim at the center of the 3/4" shell and you shoot 1" groups you're going to hit it rather consistantly at the rate I stated earlier in the evening.

[twomoons]

Hold it boys... Since i HAVE shot a LOT of Both guns here's the answer...

Intrinsic accuracy, how good are the barrels? Will they shoot. The Ruger is good, better than most folks can hold, but... Marlin Micro Groove barrels are some of the best 22 BARRELS made. I have use them to reline heavy target guns an they are probably as goo or better than Reman relining tubes an they WILL shoot. Practical accuracy, how well YOU can shoot the rifle is entirely subjective. Now as to WHY Marlins are so acclaime on the internet. This one is easy they have SOLD more than 8 million M60 an variants since they came out. More folks in the USA OWN Marlins than any other brand. Sort of like the Winchester M94 after you have sol 10 million or so you are bound to have a FEW satisfied customers. If every Ruger owner who like his 10-22 came on line today an spoke up they would still be outnumbere 10 to 1 if 1/2 the Marlin owners spoke up.

Personally I'll take a Husqvarna every time?

[jmarriott]

Nothing wrong with 10-22''s. I own a nice standard 1980's version and dad has the nice heavy barreled target version. Both shoot well the target shoots great. That being said my Marlin 39a golden will shoot with dad's 10-22 target as long as I remember not to rest the barrel on the bag. Rest the for end on the bag.

I also have the glenfield model 60. Barrel on mine is 24 inches and rather heavy contour like a winchester 52. For open sights I think longer is better. Others like the semi auto 60's and 10-22 to plink and shoot fast at stuff. I would rather use a lever and take a bit more time between reloads. The new Ct. legal model 60's are 20 inch barrels. Look for a model 60 with the pressed in tree rat on the stock those are the sweet ones.