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Post by jimh on Mar 29, 2010 10:21:11 GMT -5
Talked to Ruger customer service today and confirmed that yes all M77/22’s have gone to a threaded barrel to receiver fit. they no longer will use the V-Block method. I then asked if the 10/22’s were going to that design to and the lady said at this time she had not heard anything on that but would look into it for me and get back to me. I asked how we as consumers would be able to tell if the rifle was old style with v-block or new style with threaded barrel and she was going to get the serial # of the transition for me to post. I then told her that I can not believe that something this drastic in design change was not posted on their web site as News!. she agreed and said she would look into it.
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Post by jmarriott on Mar 29, 2010 16:44:49 GMT -5
I can't believe they would do that. The barrel change was one on the big selling points on the ruger's. I can't see them redoing the 10-22 as the aftermarket parts sell lots of the frames from ruger.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 29, 2010 19:31:02 GMT -5
From the consumer standpoint, I don't think it's a big deal. How many people swap barrels? I'd say not many at all. The only reason most people buy bolt action 22's like the Ruger, CZ, Remington, etc is because the overall finish of the gun is better than Savage and Marlin. This isn't going to hurt the 22/77 one bit in my opinion.
Now they can go ahead and try this with the 10/22 but it will be a huge mistake. The factory 10/22's are inaccurate horrible pieces of garbage and the vast magority of 10/22's are monkeyed with. The 10/22 is going to stay right what is IMO
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Post by twomoons on Mar 29, 2010 20:11:18 GMT -5
Wel I would guess they are doingthis for the fellows who want the last little bit of accuracy from the Rugers. When I fit a custom barrel to a ruge i turn the shank myself and make it an interfearance fit. By doing this and torque ing the v block in I can get a 10-22 to shoot under an inch at 100 yards on a windless day. As to the Ruger being garbage I work on a LOT less Rugers than I do those POS Marlin Glenfield M60's. So far every Ruger 10-22 I have targeted before converting would run around 1" at 50 yards and that's about the norm for a plinking 22 with standard ammo. After conversion they will cut one hole at 50 with premium ammo. The biggest problem with the Rugers are the triggers, It takes a very expirienced shooter to turn in good groups with the factory trigger, but do just a trigger job and suddenly they start shooting. Most of it is knowing your gun and practicing with it. Some of the best shooting I have seen done was with a Steven's M87 bolt semi auto combo, not exactly a target weapon.
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Post by jimh on Mar 29, 2010 20:57:40 GMT -5
don't know a thing about the triggers on the 10/22's twomoons but the M77 Mark II's can be tweaked by anyone who has a good basic understanding of working parts and the access to the right tools. they won't be benchrest triggers but they clean up very nice for hunting rifles
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Post by Jack on Mar 29, 2010 22:59:51 GMT -5
My first thought when I read Jimh's post was that the barrel/receiver rigidity will be much better, and probably 77/22's will be more accurate. As to 10/22's, get a decent trigger pull on one, and install a good sighting system, and you'll discover they shoot quite nicely.
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Post by jimh on Mar 30, 2010 6:09:50 GMT -5
jack i truely believe you're right on in terms of Ruger going in the right direction with this one for the very reasons you state. for what a guy has to pay for a new Ruger M77/22 these days there shouldn't be any issues with accuracy, at least i don't think so.
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Post by Bill on Mar 30, 2010 7:21:31 GMT -5
Most of the guys that are trying to get the last little bit of accuracy out of their 77/22's are threading the action and screwing in barrels as it seems that using the glue in barrels and playing with the torque of the V block doesn't do it as well. I don't think it hurt a thing for Ruger and actually will improve them.
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Post by twomoons on Mar 30, 2010 8:21:14 GMT -5
It needs to be as tight as possible and that's where turning the shank and pressing it together wors. The problem here is the fine line between tight and broke! A receiver is a hard thing to have to buy. I welcome the thread in myself.
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Post by jimiowa on Mar 30, 2010 12:19:48 GMT -5
Now they can go ahead and try this with the 10/22 but it will be a huge mistake. The factory 10/22's are inaccurate horrible pieces of garbage and the vast magority of 10/22's are monkeyed with. Ha!! That's an opinion That I Could not disagree more with on every point!! Dude are you Baiting me??Now I will say that though some have tried it, threading the aluminum reciever would not work well on the 10/22. It just is not stiff enough to support the barrel being threaded. Which is why some have tried bedding the barrel and floating the reciever.
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Post by jmarriott on Mar 30, 2010 17:40:26 GMT -5
The ruger 10-22 target models are not attached like the normal 10-22. So even ruger thinks that it is more accurate.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 30, 2010 20:09:09 GMT -5
The ruger 10-22 target models are not attached like the normal 10-22. Did not know that
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Post by jimh on Mar 30, 2010 20:40:40 GMT -5
The ruger 10-22 target models are not attached like the normal 10-22. So even ruger thinks that it is more accurate. this is the first time i've heard (read) that. could you expand on that comment?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 30, 2010 20:59:53 GMT -5
I knew the target model was able to achieve decent to good accuracy, but I thought it was just because of the better quality bull barrel as the factory "pencil barrel" which is generally not highly regarded.
Obvouisly now, that's not quite the case.
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Post by jimiowa on Mar 30, 2010 22:15:47 GMT -5
While I have never taken a Target model 10/22 apart, I don't believe the difference is in the way the barrel is put in. There are some differences in the trigger group which I believe along with a better barrel account for any improvements, Open this link and scroll down to page 38 for a picture of the barrel , which apears to be held in with a dovetail just as the standard 10/22. www.scribd.com/doc/7313877/Ruger-1022-Manual
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