Well now I have to look at youth 22 rifles.

[jmarriott]

I have been shooting and my mom and dad's all week during the garage sale.

My daughter (She is 10 now) wanted to shoot my model 39 marlin 22 and has been doing good with her school work (A's and B's) so I told her that we would do it today before the Colts game. All she has shot before is my sheridan pump 22 air rifle. bb guns and paintball guns.

The fence is 42 paces away or about 40 yards, the halfway mark might be 20 or so and in her first three shots off the bench she hit three near perfect bullseyes 2 at 20 and one at 40. Every can and walnut (Great little exploding targets) I would put up at 25 yards she would whack off the target stand.

Grandpa was there giving instructions and trying to get the lined up in the scope with the long stock of the marlin and started calling her little anne and since I still have a terrible habit of smoking she said dad let me shoot your cigarette. I stuck it in a 44 mag hole in the box straight up in the air and placed a couple of walnuts on the top of the box also. I came back a single feed a round told her to take some time and shoot the flame off the smoke. First shot and she put it out with a perfect hit. then waisted both walnuts. Then to make matters worse I stuck the cig back in the hole and she shot it again but this time it took two shots to hit it.

Dad and I both look at each other and said we need to shoot more cause she is really making us look bad.

She loved it and wanted to shoot more (After a good 50 to 100 rounds) so I told her to take a break and we would shoot again when her mom showed up. I then measured 25 yards with a tape and place the box right there. Found 2 of the stickers that said 25 cents and stuck them on the white box. In ten shots (five each target) she hit one twice and one four times with very small groups.

4h has a shooting segment this year and I think she is going to enter in for sure.

[Jack]

Nice to see the young ones take an interest. Now you have to go gun shopping.

[jmarriott]

I brought up gunbroker pictures of all the youth guns they had listed like the stevens cadet, marlin single shot youth, crickett, Savage MKII youth, and the Henry youth and the mini bolt.

She keeps saying I don't want a silly pink stock. (thank goodness) I don't want a ugly black stock. (good choice). I don't want a chrome gun to shinny. I want a walnut gun with dark stock finish with a blue barrel like your 9422 but I don't want that hoop thing under it. (I take it she has not watched many cowboy movies).

Finally I brought up a CZ scout 22 and she said dad that's the one I want. Figures the most expensive of the lot. I did not show here the Anschutz thank goodness. www.championshooters.com/anschutz/1903jrbig.htm

Good thing with the CZ the LUX and american full size stocks just bolt in when she grows up at the 5 and 10 shot mags are available when she is past loading one at a time. I got to save some pennies dimes and quarters but it looks like grandpa is going to go in half on it.

[Purebred Redneck]

With a 12" lop, she'll probably be keeping that stock unless she grows up to be taller than average.


Have you handled a CZ?
The last time I played with one it took all I had to flip the safety off That may be an exception.
Just something to think about...

[jmarriott]

I looked at and held three different configurations of the cz 452 rimfire today. One was the american 452. Nothing to write home about but looked like a good 22. I just thought it looked a little to much like everyone else's 22.

The second one was a 452 special military training rifle and I like the feel and fit of it. The safety was fine on it and the rear open sight was superb with elevation adjustment from 25 yards to 200 yards. the barrel was 24 inches and the front sight hooded and I could pick it up quick. The frame and bolt area were not nicely finished but I liked everything about this rifle even the beechwood stock with a buffalo classic looking for end. I know Twoomoons was raving about the Norinco trainers and I can see why in this cz.

Now the third was a real looker. It was the ultra Lux the barrel was a whooping 28 inches long. Nice walnut stock good finish and once again the sight just lined up perfect to my eye. It had the same rear sight as the trainer but finish on the reciever was much better. All of them had nice free moving safeties. As I checked them all. I don't know what the advantage of a 28 inch 22 LR barrel is but I guess you start out with a one foot advantage from the bench over the 16 inch version. One foot closer to the target.

I think the special trainer with a scout version stock is what I need.

Buy both the scout and the trainer and switch out the stocks. Keep the longer barreled scout stocked one then sell off the short barreled long LOP trainer as a custom CZ one the internet. Maybe a few people are looking for a short barreled version for trapping and of course this might be just the one for them. The daughter can use the other custom.

Custom, vintage and tactical seem to be the key words for internet sales. Custom means messed with. Vintage means old with dings and tactical means impractical.

[twomoons]

Find a used Savage M15 single shoot and cut the plateless stock off to fit. They usually go pretty reasonable and they are a nice starter rifle. I have one that has been through three generations.

[jmarriott]

Twomoons,

I have a Stevens model 15 we always used as a trapping gun. Is it the same thing? I think savage and stevens and/or springfield made the same thing.

Get this I bought in in the high school parking lot for 25 dollars in 1981. Back then it was normal practice to see gun rack in the pickup truck at school. A lockblade folder knife on the hip in the ag hall. A can of dip in the back pocket with the tell tale ring. Just think what stink would happen now. I remember getting the money from two coons I picked up on the road and sold at the local fur buyer. Gave it to dad as a trapline gun for X-mas. He had placed to stock of a nylon 66 into a plow row and set a trap stepped on the nylon stock at an angle and broke the stock at the pistol grip. He just wrapped up the same broke stock with duck tape and continued on.

We used it because it was small I never really thought of it as anything but a trapping gun. I do know it is an old gun sighted in dead on 15 feet for dispatching skunk and mean coon/fox on the trapline. I have to retrieve it at dads. It is in nice shape just old and trapline used not real abused.

Was it a boy's rifle because that would explain the smaller size platform. Stock seems to fit me but like I said we only used it on traplines and I wore a coat and maybe still small enough to need a smaller stock size to begin with. Dad could also carry it in the trap basket or in one hand when I had to do school and he checked/set traps. I think I sold another model 15 lately but again I never thought of whacking off the stock for LOP.

[dovehunter]

Sept 28, 2009 17:48:22 GMT -5 jmarriott said:

...The second one was a 452 special military training rifle and I like the feel and fit of it. The safety was fine on it and the rear open sight was superb with elevation adjustment from 25 yards to 200 yards. the barrel was 24 inches and the front sight hooded and I could pick it up quick. The frame and bolt area were not nicely finished but I liked everything about this rifle even the beechwood stock with a buffalo classic looking for end. I know Twoomoons was raving about the Norinco trainers and I can see why in this cz...

I too have been looking longingly at this one every time I go to the gun shop. For me it mounts and handles perfectly. I like everything about it - even the price is reasonable. I figure it would make a great squirrel rifle. The only problem is that I need another squirrel rifle like a hole in the head.

[bounce]

Need has nothing to do with anything after your 1st shotgun, after that it's all want & desire LOL. My prize I brought home yesterday from the gun show was a R.L. Squires screwdriver and desire not need was resion lol. shank is 5/8" thick, total linth is 14 inches tip is 7/8 " Handel 7-1/4" and iit's dia. is 1-7/8 inches, I just may call it the Oboma size screwdriver.

[twomoons]

The model 15 is basicly the same gun from about 1910 to the mid 80's. The early ones didn't have a buttplate. Now if you want a real quality gun at a reasonable price get Bill to find you a Husqvarna single shot. DD and I both have one and they are dead accurate single shot 22's made in the 1930's and are solid steel and weigh in at under 5 pounds. The small bolt handle looks like a door latch but the gun works and with the stock trimmed to 12 1/2" is just right for a youngun'. My grandson loves shootin' his.

[twomoons]

Here's what they look like. The iron sights on mine are set for 20-50-100 and 200 meters.

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