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Post by dovehunter on May 23, 2009 8:26:19 GMT -5
I went to my favorite gunshop the other day to restock components for my .44 '58 Rem. repro. I told one of the BP specialists that I hadn't shot any MLs for a while and was wondering if there were any new innovations for them that were actually better mousetraps. He said pretty much the only things that had changed were the powders. He told me about a new clean burning replica black powder (T17 or something or other) but, of more significance, he showed me Pyrodex 30 gr. pellets designed specifically for use in the repro revolvers. I asked him if they could be successfully ignited using conventional no. 11 percussion caps and he said yes. How about that? I didn't get any but may consider them for later use. Okay Red, you can start off on another tirade against non-traditional ML guns and/or accessories.
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Post by bounce on May 23, 2009 8:51:40 GMT -5
I would have tryed them, I may give on tradition if it worked like one pictures it should? Wounder what it cost to feed a colt walker? or 12 pills.
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Post by Jack on May 23, 2009 10:23:54 GMT -5
Hey, in Thee Olden Days, they fed revolvers with paper cartridges sometimes, just like they did muskets. I don't see how the pellets are much different.
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Post by dovehunter on May 23, 2009 14:50:38 GMT -5
I would have tryed them, I may give on tradition if it worked like one pictures it should? Wounder what it cost to feed a colt walker? or 12 pills. bounce: I was only shown the 30 gr. .44 cal. Pyrodex pellets for my gun. They had hollow centers. I thought that kind of strange. Looking at the shelf, I'd say they probably have pellets for all the popular calibers and the complimenting most common charges (for those calibers). I didn't price the pellets but the guy said that they weren't cheap.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on May 23, 2009 17:31:44 GMT -5
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Post by dovehunter on May 24, 2009 7:19:47 GMT -5
Red:
I pretty much decided against the pellets from a cost standpoint and, with their still being a Pyrodex-based propellant, the usual cleaning requirements would remain unchanged.
Regarding the charging of the powder, I use essentially the same thing you do. I have an old CVA brass powder flask that uses different sized screw-in spouts to dispense the powder charge. As you said, it is quick, convenient, and you can do it with one hand.
About the only concession I have made to the newer technology thus far is the dry-lubed fiber over powder wads instead of the old, yucky Crisco. I tried the Crisco bit once and that was enough for me. Triple-7 is probably the name of the new BP substitute I was trying to think of. As soon as I use up my remaining Pyrodex RS, which will probably over the next couple of times I shoot the gun, I am definitely going to try some of this new powder. To me the usual cleaning regimen has been the only drawback to BP shooting.
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Post by bounce on May 24, 2009 9:23:09 GMT -5
Yes if the pellets are realy expencive I would never try them either, heck I still have pyrodex from when it 1st came out and I tried it for a time, went back to black and never looked back at substuts again other than reading carefuly on them to know they still have not come up with one thats better than the origanal wheel [black powder] in some pistol shooting if ignision is good one may never see a lot of diferance at 25 yds but this realy changes in rifles and bullet placement over a string of shots of 100yds or more. black powder is always king so far.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on May 24, 2009 19:25:28 GMT -5
I don't hear too many good things when it comes to off brand powder like so many companies are comming out with (Jim Shockey's for example and even Pioneer).
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Post by dovehunter on May 25, 2009 8:10:00 GMT -5
bounce:
I personally have not seen a great deal of difference - either in performance or cleaning requirements - between Pyrodex RS and FFFg blackpowder. Years ago I had heard that Pyrodex was not as messy and was less prone to moisture problems, so when I used up the last of my BP I bought that can of Pyrodex. That's what I used last week at the range because I had about a half can of it and maybe enough for one cylinder full of BP. I will probably not buy any more Pyrodex when this is gone.
Red:
The guys at my favorite gunshop highly endorsed the Triple-7 powder, saying that cleanup was much easier and the residue was much less corrosive than either BP or Pyrodex. I think that's what I am going to try the next time I need powder. It didn't really seem all that expensive compared to either Pyrodex or regular BP. I think I am also going to invest in an extra set of nipples in stainless steel.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on May 25, 2009 9:40:51 GMT -5
You know how after a couple cylinders of pyrodex the gun gets gummed up?
Not so with Triple 7. You can shoot all day long and never have to wipe down or swab anything.
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Post by twomoons on May 27, 2009 8:39:13 GMT -5
I'll bet you buy your salsa in NEW YORK CITY!!! Actually they have a more modern invention that might catch your eye they make this stuff called SMOKLESS powder and you put it in these little brass tubes and ...
Sorry DH but if I shoot a muzzleloader it's for the history not to see hoow fast or how clean I can shoot. By the By the pyrodex pellets are MORE corrosive than BP and need to be cleaned IMMEDIATLY, regardless of the advertising. 777 is about the same and will RUST a barrel in 2 days.
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Post by dovehunter on May 27, 2009 13:22:31 GMT -5
I'll bet you buy your salsa in NEW YORK CITY!!! Actually they have a more modern invention that might catch your eye they make this stuff called SMOKLESS powder and you put it in these little brass tubes and ... Sorry DH but if I shoot a muzzleloader it's for the history not to see hoow fast or how clean I can shoot. By the By the pyrodex pellets are MORE corrosive than BP and need to be cleaned IMMEDIATLY, regardless of the advertising. 777 is about the same and will RUST a barrel in 2 days. Moons: I am sorry, but I have to say this. You may be a black powder snob if you scorn anyone who doesn't shoot genuine black powder!!! I hadn't thought this post would open up the apparently inflamatory (at least to some of you) issue of traditional vs. modern muzzleloading. Personally I don't give a hoot about this issue and think the whole thing is ridiculous anyway. Dissention among the ranks only pleases the anti-gunners at a time when they really don't need any help. Do you spit on your patches to lube them and pee down the barrel when it needs cleaning! The whole thing with shooting, be it BP or modern cartridge arms, is to have fun. I won't criticize your having fun your way if you don't criticize my having fun mine.
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Post by bounce on May 27, 2009 14:24:40 GMT -5
He just likes being factual and missed the sencitive training seminar at NRA about it takes a village.
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Post by twomoons on May 27, 2009 21:14:57 GMT -5
Fact of the matter is that today we have NO genuine black powder but I do try to shoot as close as I can to the real stuff. That aside I have yet to try ONE B/P substitue that lived up to its brags or worked that much better than plain old B/P. Last months ASSRA magazine had a nice article about a fellow who tested 777 and believed the hoopla about how it wans't corrosive. He RUINED the bore in his original trapdoor in 7 days. Tested on a clean steel plate pyrodex will cause heavier rusting than B/P in 48 hours. Shockey's Gold is similarly corrosive. In addition most of the replica powders are at least a little more difficult to ignite and so far I have yet to shoot a better group with any of the substitutes. As to being a snob, well I shoot just about any kind of gun but when I shoot a M/L I really do try to get as close to the real thing as I can, I want to KNOW what it was like in the old days so I do make my own lube from dead bears, and have tried freshing a barrel with urine. I make my own browning solution with urine and acid. If you don't want to go to that trouble that's your call, I mostly don't SCORN anyone, although I do have a warped sense of humor sometimes. I just thought that you might want to know that pyrodex can ruin a gun quicker than B/P.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on May 27, 2009 23:14:20 GMT -5
Can different grades of steel corrode faster/slower?
I don't want to get into a pissing match, but it does possibly sound like the guy with the trapdoor may of waited longer than 7 days --- as in put it in the cabinet for a month or more. Rather than blame himself for forgetting, it may just be easier to fudge the time frame and blame it on the powder and false advertising. I don't know...
Like i said, I waited 2 full weeks (on several occasions) without cleaning my Pietta 1858. Every time it cleaned up like new.
I guess all I can say is "check it every day and clean it at the first sign of corrosion" --- that is if you are putting it off.
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