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Post by jabba on Apr 30, 2009 6:47:48 GMT -5
Doesn't the WHOLE thing boil down to... this puts more hunter in the woods during the season that you fought for to have to yourself?
Really the whole thing is about sour grapes and sharing the woods ain't it?
(and you're right... Squealey's Savage Smokeless did NOT go BOOM a few times last year)
Plus... my scoped Knight got scope banged... I guess It was WAY off and got me to miss deer I would normally NEVER miss.
Jabba
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Post by jmarriott on Apr 30, 2009 13:37:19 GMT -5
I went thur all the early deer hunting phases.
I started with a 20 guage single shot smooth bore at 11 with dad and winchester round balls. I never shot a deer with that 20 guage, Accuracy at 40 yards or a little more.
Then I got the smooth bore 870 12 guage. At about 15-16 years old. Accuracy 35 yards. I killed my first deer with this setup open sights. About a 10 yard shot. It just shot poorly. I picked up a non 3 inch smooth bore later on and it shot better.
Then I bought a used Hawkin muzzle loading rifle. At 18 Accuracy 65-70 yards. It got wet one day and did not go off. It sure did look pretty with all the brass and patch holders and I felt like Daniel Boone. I shot it alot but hated cleaning it up and sold it back to the guy who built it. I think I might try to get this one back. I still hate the smell of rotten eggs. I got deer with this gun several times.
I bought a T/C contender in 35 rem pistol at 21 to deer hunt with. Accuracy 120 yards. (More now) Many a deer were gunned down with this setup. great for deer stands and field edges. First deer I shot at with it I missed because he was to close. So I started caring both the smooth bore shotgun abd the pistol to the tree stand. Indiana legal.
I bought a fully rifled 870 barrel for sabots in 12 guage. Scoped and muzzle tamed At 25 Accuracy 150 yards. With light fields a little more. I used it almost exclusively till the DNR allowed Handgun rifles. The pistol got used if I was really hiking in far. I never carried more than one in the field again.
I got the marlin 1894 44 mag the first year pistol rifles were allowed for use in Indiana. I was 42 then. Distance did not mean as much as the way I hunt has changed over the years from sitting and waiting to spotting and still hunting. About as non-traditional a rifle as a lever comes. Stainless and laminated with scout scope setup. I even go a shooting stick this year to help with steady aiming. I love this setup in the thick and swampy stuff.
If I bought a Inline T/C encore/Knight inline I might get 200 yards. I am thinking about a 200 yards 357 max barrel for the bean field gun.
All of these changes followed the Indiana DNR or state laws and I though I was getting the most distance out of the rules that they allowed or I could afford. I remember Don Goins being stoked about the DNR allowing 243 pistol rounds when that change happened. Before that year all handguns rounds for deer had to be 35 caliber or larger.
People will be like winning NASCAR teams they will use whatever makes them think they have an edge in the woods. I see guys shooting encore pistols in .270 and 308 in the woods each year with 16 inch barrels. They shoot far and are legal. For their money they think they are pushing the limit of the law.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Apr 30, 2009 21:54:43 GMT -5
Doesn't the WHOLE thing boil down to... this puts more hunter in the woods during the season that you fought for to have to yourself? It was meant to be hard. If you wanted to kill deer you had to really work for it because your tag wouldn't allow you to hunt the centerfire season at all, because you couldn't get your gun wet, you had to set up within 50 or so yards, you had to bear the cold because the muzzleloader season was around Christmas time. If you wanted to muzzleloader hunt, you sacrificed a lot in order to hunt with a reasonable amount of people in the woods. Sour grapes, hell yes there's sour grapes. We muzzleloader hunted to stay away from the clowns that showed up with centerfires. If those clowns bought a sidelock, they didn't own it long because the guns are too complicated. If people wanted to join in, buy a sidelock, and give up their centerfires all together --- join the club b/c you're welcome in it. But for gun companies to bastardize mountain man history, states to allow inlines to sell more tags, states to bump up the season so you don't get too cold out there, and states to allow you to hunt with a centerfire rifle and a muzzleloader on the same tag --- that's not what the season was intended to be. For most muzzleloader hunters, it came down to either hunting with a muzzleloader or not bother hunting at all. You couldn't take your kids on public land during rifle season. Grown men are too afraid to walk back to their trucks on public land. And right now, muzzleloader season is getting to be just as dangerous. This isn't what muzzleloader season was suppost to be. I'd almost be in favor of just saying screw it and have a month long rifle season. That's essentially what it is.
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Post by jabba on May 1, 2009 10:06:33 GMT -5
Things change Red. The good of the many outweigh the good of the few. That basic Communist, er uh Socialist.. er uh... Liberal, I mean Progressive philosophy isn't it?
Jabba
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Post by Purebred Redneck on May 1, 2009 21:51:13 GMT -5
Let's say "the want of the many"
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Post by jabba on May 2, 2009 7:51:37 GMT -5
Just like Liberal governmental policy man.
It's yet another example of the masses controlling leadership.
Jabba
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Post by Jack on May 2, 2009 8:33:26 GMT -5
Yikes, even the traditional/inline debate gets turned into politics?
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Post by jabba on May 4, 2009 8:42:26 GMT -5
OK... I am bad.
It's hard for me NOT to point out hypocracy when I see it. I am guilty of it too, but when people call me out on it... I try to alter my thoughts.
Red is VERY liberal about a lot of his politics... I am trying to get him to see that is essentially what happened to his beloved traditional muzzleloader season. It got liberalized.
Jabba
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Post by bounce on May 4, 2009 9:54:47 GMT -5
The Hypocracy you always talk of jabba exsist only in your mind. The rest of us or most anyway only Identify your hypocracy only when you say we have it. We don't & never did. Only you feel we are trying to cut you out!!!! So if you keep it up jabba ...........we will.....lol.
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Post by jimiowa on May 4, 2009 10:26:50 GMT -5
The problem with the "so called liberal"(on any subject in life)(and I'm not picking on anyone specifically) is that they are only liberal when you agree with them. It is Hypocracy as Jabba points out. But I have learned to accept that and won't waste my breath. While I may not be a fan if in-lines for myself, I have no problem accepting them for others. Being a conservative, I think I'm being very liberal. ;D
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Post by jabba on May 4, 2009 11:54:25 GMT -5
The Hypocracy you always talk of jabba exsist only in your mind. The rest of us or most anyway only Identify your hypocracy only when you say we have it. We don't & never did. Only you feel we are trying to cut you out!!!! So if you keep it up jabba ...........we will.....lol. I wasn't talking about hypocracy of the muzzleloaders there Bounce. I see the correlation of the socialist fiscal policy and the bastardization of the MZ seasons. it's taking from the few, for the good of the many. Red thinks that's wrong as it applies to muzzleloader seasons, but good when it comes to taxes and the redistribution of wealth. I am exactly opposite on both counts. I guess that makes me a hypocrit too. Just tying to make a subtle point, without getting too political.
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Post by Squealy on May 4, 2009 14:55:28 GMT -5
(and you're right... Squealey's Savage Smokeless did NOT go BOOM a few times last year) And I we're pretty sure we figured out the reason....
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Post by jabba on May 4, 2009 16:37:07 GMT -5
the wrong brand of 209 primers... since he won't SAY.
Jabba
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Post by Purebred Redneck on May 20, 2009 19:27:34 GMT -5
I'll take a stab and say remington (because it ain't going to be winchester or CCI)
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