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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 5, 2009 12:00:53 GMT -5
I bought a couple boxes of Buffalo Bullet muzzleloading pistol ballets to shoot out of the 1858. Reviews on them are pretty good.
However, I could not get them to load. For those who have shot these guns, you know you have to put the ball in just right as to not lock up the cylinder when you're trying to load it (using the gun's loading lever).
The bullet is too long and you can not get it lined up right.
If you want to use these, you'd have to buy that special loading tool (not loading it with the loading lever of the gun).
That's in a 1858. Maybe the Colts are more forgiving.
Fair warning !
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Post by dovehunter on Mar 6, 2009 8:40:50 GMT -5
Red:
I have only shot Speer cast round balls in my '58 Remington repro. I never had any problems with them.
One thing I found that I really like (you may already now about them) is (I think) Butler Creek Wonder Wads. They are dry lubed circlar disks that go in between the powder and ball. They sure are a lot cleaner and I think safer than the old Crisco gunk.
I haven't shot my Remington in ages. I'll have to pull it out and take it to the range the next time I go.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 6, 2009 10:06:05 GMT -5
Yeah, the wonder wads are good. I use the Cabelas brand. You can buy a lot of crisco for the same price but it gets pretty messy in the summer. I applied it with a screwdriver and it seemed to work pretty good. But I really didn't want it leaking down into my holster when I went fishing. Anyway, I got reading more and more reviews of people using the bullets in the 1858. I got thinking - I've got to be doing something wrong. I sat down last night trying to figure it out and finally did. With a ball, you basically just set it in there because it's a lot shorter. The tolerance on these bullets are practically 0. You must set it in there just right at the exact moment. Those bullets are greesy too so just as you're right there the thing slips  Next time I'm out I'll have to try them again. I hear they shoot better than the balls. If they could somehow move the point of impact at 25 yards a couple inches to the right, I'd be jumping for joy. Otherwise, I don't think I'll be buying anymore because they're a pain. |
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Post by twomoons on Mar 7, 2009 19:28:05 GMT -5
Bullets heavier than the old Civil war bullets are no bargain in the M/L pistol. Bullets heavier than say 180 grains really should have a 1-18 or 1-16 twist to stabalize. It doesn't do any good to have extra bullet weight if you can't hit the target. Typicaly the heavier bullets won't stay in 4" at 25 yards.
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Post by Bill on Mar 8, 2009 7:40:04 GMT -5
Two Moons, I had read about Red shooting bullets in his pistol and was just keeping my mouth shut and watching and reading. Cheap entertainment. ;D Wondering how long it was going to take for him to figure out that bullets were not the way to go with these guns. Too big a pain in the butt for the returns you get which aren't many if any. Red, do yourself a favor and ditch the bullets and just go buy a box of balls and have fun. You won't regret it. Matter of fact I bet your shooting improves. ;D ;D
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Post by deputydon on Mar 8, 2009 8:15:08 GMT -5
Two Moons, I had read about Red shooting bullets in his pistol and was just keeping my mouth shut and watching and reading. Cheap entertainment. ;D Wondering how long it was going to take for him to figure out that bullets were not the way to go with these guns. Too big a pain in the butt for the returns you get which aren't many if any. Red, do yourself a favor and ditch the bullets and just go buy a box of balls and have fun. You won't regret it. Matter of fact I bet your shooting improves. ;D ;D  RED.... BALLS....  RED ...... BALLS..... Both in the same sentence |
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Post by bounce on Mar 8, 2009 10:08:27 GMT -5
Get bigger balls Red
No joke red as i have found if your gun calls for .454 that .457 shaves a little more lead and gives just a tab more bearing face that over all does a tab better. bullets are a waist of your time.
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Post by deputydon on Mar 8, 2009 10:27:22 GMT -5
Yes Virginia eeerrr I mean Red it's true!!!! Balls are the way to go!!!
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 8, 2009 12:36:46 GMT -5
I've shot the 451 and 454 balls in different powder loads (20-35grains) and they all shoot the exact same groups in the exact same location.
I got a couple boxes of these bullets (100 total) that were only a dollar or more than the balls (which really shot up in price). They are 180 grains and .451
Like I said, I haven't shot them yet. Unless they can move my impact magically to the right, I won't be using them again.
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Post by deputydon on Mar 8, 2009 12:52:14 GMT -5
As I recall for some reason MOSt of the repro's shoot high and to the side. I think 2M's explained once to me why that is..........
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 8, 2009 13:06:58 GMT -5
The Colts shoot significantly high at 25 yards as to be dead on at like 75 yards. The Remingtons shoot slightly low at 25 yards and the sights can be filed down as you wish. Now as far as left / right. From what I read, many of the 1858 repros shoot to the left. People speculate that the barrel is not turned correctly from the factory as it's threaded on. I don't know |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 16, 2009 9:16:19 GMT -5
Ok, so here's the deal The round balls shoot 3-4" low and 3-4" left at 25 yards The conicals shoot 2-3" high and 3-4" left at 25 yards The balls shoot a tighter group, although it could be resulting in the fact I shot the conicals after my turkey gun --- as my hand was still trembling Again, the conicals were hard to load because they were slippery with grease and had to fit just right in the cylinder. Two went in crooked - the one I forced down and the other I had to take out with plyers and try again. While they are a pain to load, they do have the advantage of shooting high which gives me a better sighting picture without altering the gun's sights. Still though, I think I'd like to have it dovetailed. |
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Post by bounce on Mar 16, 2009 13:37:57 GMT -5
Now try loading them upside down.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 16, 2009 13:53:19 GMT -5
Now try loading them upside down. Serouisly? |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 19, 2009 12:54:43 GMT -5
I got thinking
With the hollow base (although only about 1/16" deep) of the conical pointing forward as Bounce suggests, it should produce a bigger wound channel. It's not that big of an advantage as I'm using it for a finishing kill on deer, but it's an advantage nonetheless.
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RED ...... BALLS.....