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Post by jmarriott on Feb 10, 2009 12:22:18 GMT -5
March 1, 2009 Ham match 11 am closed match 3 pm
Schnellville Conservation Club
For beef & pork 1st choice whole beef 2 choice 1/2 beef
Total prizes depend on number of rounds shot.
This is a still board or card shoot and is kinda hard to describe in a post but becomes easier if you are going to attend one. You place a x with a razor on piece of plywood and they closest shot to the X wins the prizes. You better place it right on the X if you are going to win cause the difference between being the whole beef winner and out of the meat completely might be the width of a human hair.
This is where I meet Don Goins and got started in this whole Huntchat/hunting firearms board stuff. Don then sold me a model 37 winchester still board gun that used to put 45 + shot on the board per shot. Sure should have kept that one as I can't seem to equal that yet with my setups.
If you are interested let me know it my not be that far from St. Louis as schnellville is close to patoka lake in southern Indiana.
Jabba it should be close to you.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 10, 2009 15:07:07 GMT -5
I bet great grandpa's 97 would be competitive
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Post by jimh on Feb 11, 2009 9:49:22 GMT -5
I bet great grandpa's 97 would be competitive unless grandpa's gun has been worked over for these meet shoots Red, you would be best served to leave it in the truck. i at training all that weekend or i might just be up for it. too bad i don't have my 37 meat shoot gun anymore. sold it when i got married almost 18 yrs ago. bought honeybunch her wedding gift with the cash. what a knucklehead move on my part. it was a first issue series 37 with the tiny hammer and forged release lever. had it tapped for chokes, forcing cone lengthend and polished. then i had this guy who does stock work for browning (their headquarters is only 10 min from my house) redo all the wood on it. it seems his dad had a furniture repair buisness and the boy grew up working with wood. my dentist knew the family well and when i was in one day (my dentist was an advid outdoorsman)talking about my new toy he tells me he has the guy to redo the stock for me. it was a thing of beauty when he was done. the whole gun was polished up and reblued too by the smith doing the custom work. trigger was lighten a lot. and then there was the scope on it too. we shot chokes down to .630" and lower. all shooting #9 shot out of these things. Red at 70' most of these guns will hold a pattern about the size of a soft ball or tighter. just so you know what you're up against.
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 11, 2009 10:40:10 GMT -5
I have a 870 I am attempting to make competitive. I have one of the old Cutts compensator barrels (the folks shooting next to me hate it.)with an Extra full choke and Have a guy in a machine shop making a new Extra full choke going down to .650 and adding a full 12 inches into that choke. Kind of a Metro Barrel concept I have come up with. We can choke it down a bit more at a time until the pattern goes away again as the shot gets deformed.
Seems that you can choke down to quick and deform shot and you can choke down to restrictive and deform shot. I think the lead pellets getting deformed is as much a problem as having the right choke amount. Most guy's use sleeved barrels that are a good 5 to 6 foot long and of unknown choke dimensions and most look like they were made using nothing but a hack saw a welder and some super glue. No one wants to share the real secrects cause alot of these guys feed the family off the shoots.
I also have a trap vent rib barrel the is X-full and already 32 inches long. I will not choke this one down any farther cause it shoot #4 lead buckshot like a charm. It is the coyote gun I used on my winter coy dog hunt i wrote about earlier. I am going to try to see how this patterns 9 shot but normally the pattern is not tightly grouped but very evenly grouped which is not really what you want for this.
Funny thing about the one I bought from Don Is he never choked it down further from it's factory full choke chamber. He just did a lot of extra polishing and I believe a bit of back boaring as the shells really just fell in and did not want to eject far.
Since I am going to drill and tap a 870 frame and mount a scope rail maybe I will take some pictures as I go and post the outcome of the project here.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 11, 2009 11:13:42 GMT -5
That 97 won a bunch of church shoots and other small events in it's day. I can't imagine those local shoots being too serouis (especially back then but still today). Used to be that if someone wanted to use your shotgun, you had to let them. I know a lot of people used to borrow our gun to compete against our family.
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Post by jimh on Feb 11, 2009 15:13:13 GMT -5
yea Red, but it may take a few rounds to figure out where that thing is hitting. i know some guys that sighter theirs in useing something other than the center of the target just for such occasions.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 11, 2009 15:29:48 GMT -5
They may have to use your gun, but they don't have to know where to aim ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jimh on Feb 11, 2009 15:34:22 GMT -5
yep you got it. reminds me alot of the way this one fella i know thinks. he's a real redneck too.
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 11, 2009 18:10:36 GMT -5
To me winning a shoot using someone else's gun would be like $crewing a supermodel with someones elses member.
While it might be a neat experance, It just would not feel as good as doing it with your own gun. ( so to speak.)
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Feb 11, 2009 18:54:25 GMT -5
Is that still a common rule in meat shoots --- that if someone wants to use your gun you have to let them
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 12, 2009 10:22:04 GMT -5
By the way I just got the Volunteer fire fighter shoot flier yesterday
Second shoot March 15
same place time and format except this one funds the fire dept instead of the club.
I do know that people do shoot other peoples shotguns and I bet that most of the shooters at the show would let people shoot what they had brought at least during the Ham match. I don't think that you could force a person to let them use what they brought to the match yet truly I don't think the match has written rules at least that I have seen here.
I have seen matches that restrict barrel length to 36 inches and stock shotguns at times. The big shoots are like Outlaw matches where as long at it fires they shell that they provide it is a legal gun. I have seen 8 foot long barrels supported on the front of the barrel with a giant shop car jack. As long a the person and the rest is behind the firing line the barrel can cross the line.
A great grouping gun just up's your chances of getting the prefect hit. I used a stock 870 with a 28 inch full choke barrel once and got in the meat with one of the pellets making a near perfect cross of the X on the board. average pellet count on board was 24 in which other guns I have used nearly doubled the amount of pellets on the board. I also won a match where the person sitting next to me on lane 7 shot all 12 shots at lane eight's target which happen to be my lane. I had several people want to buy my setup that day because they read I had 10 shot round and looked at that board posted as up in the money and it was just plastered with the shot pattern of 22 shells. I probably should have thrown out some outrageous price and sold the barrel but that Karma thing will get you.
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Post by jimh on Feb 12, 2009 13:51:02 GMT -5
how tight of a choke they letting you shoot/
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 12, 2009 18:43:45 GMT -5
As tight as you want.
I was reaching the point of diminishing returns at about .645. 650 seems about as tight as i went. Maybe i could choke down a bit more if you were going down to 630 and less. I seem to shoot my 870 fairly well for 5 shot rounds because my aiming point remains more consistent without reloading, replacing the shotgun to the shoulder and reaiming.
Only rule as far as what you can shoot is you have to use the provided shells.
I have heard a horror story once that one is a 16 guage modified choke model 37 made to shoot 12 guage shells. I have never seen this gun but they say it exists but i think that would be almost a dangerous situation in an old model 37.
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Post by twomoons on Feb 12, 2009 21:26:34 GMT -5
Here is an interesting modification for you that i did on a Greener 14 gauge. These were made for the military in India and had a two prong friing pin and shot a special 14 gauge brass shell. I changed the breech block to centerfire no prongs and taper bored the barrel from 12 at the breech to 14 at the muzzle with a choke. The gun shot to tight for what I wanted so I reamed out the choke and the whole barrel was a straight taper from 715 to 650 at the muzzle. With no choke section it shot a perfect full choke and was very even. When it had a choke it was extra full, I wish now that i had tried it on a card. If I ever get another one...
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Post by jmarriott on Feb 13, 2009 10:34:41 GMT -5
Is that built on the police riot gun in 14 1/2 guage?
many questions: I might just send you a PM.
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