There are times when even I would want a magnum!

[klsm54]

[jimiowa]

Hard to argue with that!

[Jack]

No argument here, either- that's a valid reason to tote a magnum.

[jimh]

how does one get off accurate shots with all that body fluid making a fast exit at the same time? ok so i'm speaking for myself here.

[Jack]

;D ;D ;D ;D

[sebastian]

That was because the first hunter is not a good shot. That's ONLY around 40 yds or so and he did NOT able to shoot the head/brain for an instant kill. The second hunter on the left was an IDIOT to me! He made everything worse, impatient, etc. I would not hunt with a man like him, for sure.
But yes, on situation like that (on the other bears that were charging/attacking) I would want a magnum.

[jimh]

Nov 11, 2008 6:47:18 GMT -5 sebastian said:

That was because the first hunter is not a good shot. That's ONLY around 40 yds or so and he did able to shoot the head/brain for an instant kill.

sebastian, i'm thinking he wanted to keep the head intact. same way if that big buck comes my way this weekend i wont be doing any head shot either

[sebastian]

Jim, I'm not sure what part of the bear that he shot, but that was not a head, or neck shot. Maybe just the upper body and not the heart. Basically not a good shot placement to me, especially for big game. That's also a day light hunting, and was NOT in a hurry situation.
Well, maybe I'm just too... "picky"?

[jimh]

Sebastian, i ain't argueing the poor shot, i was just saying no way am i going to take a head shot on a trophey animal. that being said, i've never hunted bears, much less brown bears that like to hunt back. he might be a realy realy good shot but if that was his first bear hunt he might have been a tad skittish thus not haveing the best aim he normaly does. as for the guide i thought he had good composure, trying to scare the other bear off and not shooting until he just had to. me, i would have been a puddle of poop and blood.

[jimiowa]

Sebastian: I have never hunted Bear so can only tell what I've read. Those Rascals are totally mean. They are the baddest thing on this continent and anything they see, they consider a meal ( I think we all woud have an aversion to being a man sandwich for a Bear).
As you can see by the Sows intention to totally tear up two hunters they are fearless. Did you notice she covered 40 yds faster than an NFL Running back could?
Headshots are avoided since thats how the trophy is scored.
Bears can do a lot of damage before expiring even with a double lung or heart shot. Generally accepted shot for bear is to preferably break both front sholders anchoring them on the spot.
Or at least break one. Once the bear is imobilized a finishing shot can be used( But you want him down so he can do you no damage, above all else).
The movie is a little muddy so we can't see where the hunter hit, but it looks as if that's the shot he took.
As they pointed out in the film it is illegal to take more than one Bear on a tag, so they did everything to discourage the sow, before killing her in self defence. The Guide must have balls big as basketballs to make a shot like that at 8 yds!

[jimh]

i bet after all that the hunter saw he gives up the idea of ever going after one with a bow. too many variables to go wrong and not enough time to correct them if they did in my book, but then again i am a self proclaimed weeny in a situation like that!

[sebastian]

I have never hunted bear also myself.
Just some things in my mind...
1. That was a day light hunting (which is much easier than hunting at night/in dark condition). From the video, it is obvious that they all could see the other bears from their position. It's an open terrain, too. Why in the world the left side man "must" yell etc after the shot??? They all knew that the shot did not make an instant kill.
Be wise, not to yell etc to even attract the other bears to charge...
2. The second shot even worse/not hit. That was just about 70 or so yards. It is more obvious to me that he cannot shoot well.
3. I have not seen all videos in the world, but I have about two dozens videos/DVDs about hunting (around the world) in my cabinet, either by rifles or bow, or dogs. but never seen an "act?" like the left side man did. I don't know...but that's very weird for me. That's not the way to scare bears, but only to attract the bears. Also what for? Again, they can wait for a while, and be wise!
4. They did not bring/shot a bow. Bear is just bear. If you have a proper rifle in hand, and can shoot good, even in short range "combat" with bear you would be the winner! In that same situation, I dare to say that I would only need one round to make the first bear dead instantly. I would bring a .308, my favourite all around cartridge. Yes, I would make a brain shot, or a bit below/behind to the neck (like I usually did on my local boars/deers). I don't care much about the trophy, usually. Even it's a Bear. With FMJ, the head/thropy would still be okay, too. (not damage).
Sure, I would not attract the other bears. I CAN wait for a while!
5. The last one is, Jimiowa says that it is illegal to take more than one bear on a tag. If they know they only allowed to kill one bear, why they attract the other bears?
That was just Impatient thing, to me.

That's all my point if view...

[jimh]

sebastian, from what i could see (i don't mean to take sides) we never saw the other bears until they stood up after the first shot. in the begiinig of the video they clearly show th ebow in the first hunters hand. they then go on to say with the wind that they would have to abandon the use because it would be too risky of getting a good shot. then they say they will just go with a rifle instead. a guide is required to try to scare off the bear first and foremost before shooting. yelling and screaming at it is exactly what they teach you. try to call it's bluff early on and then if they aint changeing their minds they you shoot.

[bounce]

Well to me it looked as the 1st shot was a good uper body shot that went all the way though the bear, now most deer shot the same with a 30-06 will run much the same. Trying to bluff the charging bear is likely the way it is taught [ make a big noisy present as posible] but I have never bear hunted and yes few would do a head shot for a trophy. I have seen a fillm of a bear runing up a mountain slope at 40 miles an hour to catch a sheep, yeah their dangerious all right.

[sebastian]

JimH, in open terrain like that and the fact that the hunters were on a higher ground/ elevation, plus on the scene after the shot (that showing wider field of view) - there is NO way they would/did not be able to see the other bears, before the shot. They must be already looked the other bears instead of the bear on the left side, before the shot! If the other hunters cannot see, I am sure the left side hunter did! --- In that situation (which was too late & the bears were charging) which one more make sense and scaring to bears, yelling or shoot one or two rounds to the sky to scare them??? Which one make more sense, just stay/wait for awhile & keep undetectable to the other bears after the shot, or yelling like there is a big earthquake there?? That's why I call him an idiot, especially with his yelling. (Fortunately he shot that charging bear okay...I can't imagine if he did not!).

If you see more detail the video, the other bears were just about 60 or so yds to the right/behind the first bear on the left. You still can see the other bears (black "spot") on the right side of the camera, just when about/before the hunter shot the left bear. If the handycam was just pointed a bit to the right (JUST a bit), all would be clear for us.
Also remember that human eyes has much MUCH more wider field of view than a handycam. They're all 4 people including the camera man. It's really strange if no one of them see the other bears, in that terrain/circumtances! They just got TOO excited/impatient at that time, and that's not "proffesional" to my eyes.
I am sorry...