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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 3, 2008 10:46:15 GMT -5
Is the traditional arguement now a lost cause - are we hanging on to these disadvantaged guns just in spite? Should we be thinking about changing to an easier setup as our time is valuable? Can I use one during the regular centerfire season or are they still the devil? If I can use one during the regular centerfire season, can it be on land that is "bow or muzzleloader only"? Can I split time between a inline and caplock? Does simply owning one bring shame upon me? I find myself beginning to ask questions and I need them answered by the traditional community  |
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Post by deputydon on Nov 3, 2008 14:31:02 GMT -5
Is the traditional arguement now a lost cause - are we hanging on to these disadvantaged guns just in spite? Should we be thinking about changing to an easier setup as our time is valuable? Can I use one during the regular centerfire season or are they still the devil? If I can use one during the regular centerfire season, can it be on land that is "bow or muzzleloader only"? Can I split time between a inline and caplock? Does simply owning one bring shame upon me? I find myself beginning to ask questions and I need them answered by the traditional community Is the traditional arguement now a lost cause - are we hanging on to these disadvantaged guns just in spite? NO!!!Should we be thinking about changing to an easier setup as our time is valuable? Again NO, easier isn't always better!!!!Can I use one during the regular centerfire season or are they still the devil? Thats where they belong...If I can use one during the regular centerfire season, can it be on land that is "bow or muzzleloader only"? Thats up to the land owner.Can I split time between a inline and caplock? If you wish during Rifle season.Does simply owning one bring shame upon me? No, but its a shame that MLing had to be spoiled. My thoughts are that the inline; a modern weapon; should be used w/ the rest of the modern weapons....JMHO(s)Anything else ? ;D |
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 3, 2008 15:05:15 GMT -5
If I can use one during the regular centerfire season, can it be on land that is "bow or muzzleloader only"? Thats up to the land owner. Conservation ground - state owned. Many areas are getting slayed so they are going to "bow or muzzleloader tactics only" during the centerfire seasons. Because it's a "muzzleloader only" piece of land, am I obligated to stick with a traditional gun despite it being the centerfire season? That's the million dollar question |
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Post by bounce on Nov 3, 2008 17:50:39 GMT -5
Gee no Red if you have no concious what differance would it make? traditianal hunting is entierly up to just the hunter to or not. The inline rueind the seasion for ever that was set aside now anything goes if you want to cheapen your experance you have every right to do so.
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Post by Jack on Nov 3, 2008 20:48:35 GMT -5
I'm not a muzzleloading purist, or even an avid muzzle loader shooter.
It seems to me that the in line is a modern implement. So, use it during modern implement season- rifle season.
Bow hunters have their own season, where no other implement can be used. So, why not the same for traditional muzzle loaders?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 4, 2008 9:26:36 GMT -5
So, why not the same for traditional muzzle loaders? I know that's a retorical question but I'll answer it just to rally the base  Summed up in one symbol $ |
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Post by dovehunter on Nov 4, 2008 10:14:35 GMT -5
I don't bow or muzzleloader hunt so I have no personal axe to grind here but I can't help but wonder how most bow hunters would take to having to go back to the old simple straight or recurved bows with no sights, pulleys, etc. of the modern compound bow? I can see where the same - traditional vs. modern - argument could be used here too. Just a thought.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 4, 2008 11:43:52 GMT -5
Here's the difference with archery.
It was the compound bow that made archery a legitament means of hunting in the modern era. Remember not too long before the compound, deer numbers were too low to hunt.
Yes you had recurve shooters but deer hunting as it would later be known as was still in the making.
By say 1995 when the first inlines were comming out, deer seasons and weapons had been established for quite a while.
You had a few choices
1. You could bow hunt
2. You could centerfire rifle hunt
3. If you wanted to give up a fall centerfire season in exchange for a more peacefull atmosphere, you could hunt with the primative blackpowder rifle normally in winter.
What inlines did was offer a way to cheat the established system where you could have a private hunt without having primative sights, ignition problems, etc.
And for a while the state governments saw this and resisted it...but to no avail.
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Post by twomoons on Nov 4, 2008 12:13:42 GMT -5
The GAME COMMISSIONS enabled the inline and promoted it's use and Red had it down pat $$$$$. The first muzzleloading season the entire STATE had 1200 muuzzleloading permits issued. Oru muzzleloading club jumped up in membership and there was some interest but no where near the permit sales the state was looking for. Now last year if I remember right M/L tags went right at 15,000. My imperfect survey is that 90% of those hunters are shooting inlines and when asked why, they just want to hunt another season. If we actually went back to a REAL muzzleloading season it wouldn't pay for the game commission and probably wouldn't make it as far as reducing the deer popullation.
Now as to bows... In 1967 I saw my first compound bow and everyone at the archery range just laughed. What kind of a wus would shoot a WHEELIE bow? Traditional bow hunters said they would ruin the sport and would make hunting too easy. What they did was completely change the face of bow hunting for better or for worse. Go to any archery range today and see how many folks shoot a stick bow. In another 20 years IF we are still allowed to have guns traditional muzzleloader will be as rare as stick bows are today.
plus c'est le meme chose...
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Post by Squealy on Nov 10, 2008 11:10:23 GMT -5
Now as to bows... In 1967 I saw my first compound bow and everyone at the archery range just laughed. What kind of a wus would shoot a WHEELIE bow? Traditional bow hunters said they would ruin the sport and would make hunting too easy. What they did was completely change the face of bow hunting for better or for worse. Go to any archery range today and see how many folks shoot a stick bow. In another 20 years IF we are still allowed to have guns traditional muzzleloader will be as rare as stick bows are today. Long time no post for me, but I've been keeping up. Twomoons, that is an awesome comparison. But my question to you is, does hunting with a compound bow lessing the experience of bow hunting? Same question with "modern" muzzle loaders? Does take from the experience? With a M/L it's STILL about one shot and preping for that shot the same everytime. EVEN with these "modern" M/L's they might not go off. Is the experience any differnet? After all MOST states call them MUZZLE LOADER season and not PRIMATIVE weapon season... Just my two cents... Neil |
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Post by Jack on Nov 10, 2008 17:20:15 GMT -5
Hi Squealy.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 10, 2008 18:02:40 GMT -5
Remember though, most recurve shooters in the 60's and early 70's shot for competition and not at game. It was the compound bow that gave us the bow season.
The term "primitive season" is a new one. We used to get by with muzzleloader or blackpowder season because they were the only choices.
I don't know if inlines take away from the hunting experience. Like someone else said, it is up to the individual to make that choice.
I guess we should allow single shot centerfire Rugers, T/C, and HR then. It's not about 1 shot and making it count - it shouldn't be at least. It's was about giving up your centerfire season to hunt instead with a gun with iron sights that might not go off in the rain.
Now they advertise the inlines as being dunked in a barrel of water for 20 minutes and will still hit the bullseye at 200 yards with no hangfires. Just put the 200 yard calibrated crosshair on the target and squeeze the trigger.
I think they are very different
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