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Post by dakota on Sept 4, 2006 19:43:40 GMT -5
I am not very experienced at this thing. Why choose an ATV when you can get a used CJ-5 for much less money?
I don't have either? Just wondering.
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Post by jimiowa on Sept 4, 2006 20:58:25 GMT -5
I don't think its a question of one or the other.
You need both, the jeep to take ya to the end of the trail.
And when the trail gets too small for the Jeep the ATV goes on from there.
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Post by deputydon on Sept 4, 2006 21:03:33 GMT -5
I have had jeep's and jimiowa really summed it up good. ;)At least for my pasture(s)  BTW when the ATV can't make it you get out the horses. ;D ;D |
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Post by jabba on Sept 5, 2006 7:22:33 GMT -5
You can trailer or haul the ATV in the back of the truck.
I can't hardly squeeze into a CJ-5.
I can go places on my ATV that a CJ-5 will not go. I can go places that are hard to walk. And I can do it quietly, without leaving hardly a mark.
Out west... maybe the Jeep makes more sense. In the midwest... the ATV can be really good.
Jabba
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Post by dakota on Sept 5, 2006 8:43:31 GMT -5
The last time I was near a scale the damn thing pi$$ed me off - that is, I don't fit well into small areas either. However, I don't have anything against either a 4 wheeler or jeep (modified somewhat) - I would like to have both. I have trouble with them is the idiot driving them at times, but I guess that goes for other things too.
I was scouting for elk hunting just West of Rocky Mountain National Park with a land owner (and some friends) he had a WWII era Jeep. I had a 4 wheel drive Ford 3/4 truck. (Neither vehicle would look much different with a new dent or two.) When the road stopped he turned into the creek and drove up that. I followed for quite a while. By the end of the 1st day, I was truly amazed at what he could do with that old jeep. I was so impressed that I was surprised at the popularity of the 4 wheelers especially when their price got outa my range (which isn't much).
Since then I have ridden some 4 wheelers but never put them to the test, it would be fun to do that some day.
Most of the places I hunt anymore are walk-in only areas so neither one would do me much good. If I were to go elk hunting in the mountains, I suspect that horses would be as practical as it gets, especially where the laws limit traffic to foot traffic - human or horse back.
But if idiots don't ruin it for everyone who wants to ride a 4 wheeler they are a lot easier to take care of than horses, IMO.
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Post by jabba on Sept 5, 2006 12:29:59 GMT -5
I don't have to feed my quad.  I also think they leave less soil damage behind. But that really only matters if there is a lot of traffic. Jabba |
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Post by dovehunter on Sept 6, 2006 14:24:46 GMT -5
Though I am not (and never will be) a big fan of Jap vehicles, I've always wondered if the Suzuki Samuri would be a good compromise between an ATV and street-legal vehicle. They're a good bit smaller than a Wrangler and, at least around here, you can pick them up for a song. Still though, even with those, I guess you couldn't really drive them between the trees like you can with most of the smaller ATVs.
I'll have to admit that there have been times (most of the time these days) when I have shot a deer back in the hinterland and had to drag it out all by my lonesome. I am not getting any younger either. Many has been the time when I wished I had an ATV for this, if nothing else.
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Post by dakota on Sept 6, 2006 16:07:01 GMT -5
A person I worked with had one of those Suzuki's. CAREFUL on ice they switch directions as fast as you can say bob's your uncle.
Those Wranglers are a bit larger than the military jeeps too.
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Post by jimiowa on Sept 6, 2006 22:08:11 GMT -5
;D I have had two 4 wheelers 1-75 Jeep CJ5 and 1- 83 S-10 Blazer. My experience has been that on ice either would swap ends in a heartbeat. The last two times I was in a ditch I was driving the Blazer, of course I could put it all wheel drive and drive back out. The short wheelbase and high center of gravity will always be a handful. But like DoveHunter if a Suzuki came along at the right price I would jump all over it, they run on fumes. A person I worked with had one of those Suzuki's. CAREFUL on ice they switch directions as fast as you can say bob's your uncle. Those Wranglers are a bit larger than the military jeeps too. |
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Post by dovehunter on Sept 7, 2006 9:13:47 GMT -5
Regarding swapping ends on ice, it's been my experience that all the short wheelbase jobs are prone to doing that and not just on ice. I remember back in '68 when I graduated from college and got my first job, I looked at the Jeepster Commando, the Ford Bronco, and the I.H. Scout. I ended up getting the Scout because it had the longest wheelbase of the three and seemed to handle best at highway speeds. However, if you had to make a panic stop in the Scout (but all were the same way in that regard), particularly if you were pulling a boat trailer, you'd better hope your life insurance was paid up. Not only would it swap ends, jack-knife trailers, etc., it also felt like it was going to flip end over end.
They didn't the corner too well either. I seem to recall friend Ralph Nader got on a crusade against the Suzuki and also the really short Mitsubishi Montero. He didn't like the Wrangler either. However, where Ralph Nader is concerned, I usually take the position that if he's opposed to it, it's probably a pretty good thing.
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Post by jabba on Sept 7, 2006 12:24:13 GMT -5
I had an 83 Suziki SJ410. Pre America release Samauri. I loved it. A little underpowered, but would go anywhere. I turned $100 into $600 and the little truck one day, so I had NO respect for it at all sheetmetal wise. I tried a few times to flip it, never successfully. Eventually I sold it for $1200.
I always dreamed of putting 31" tires and a 4.3 liter chevy engine in a Samauri. Never got it done though.
Jabba
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Post by deputydon on Sept 7, 2006 20:32:00 GMT -5
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Post by jimiowa on Sept 7, 2006 22:19:37 GMT -5
I had an 83 Suziki SJ410. Pre America release Samauri. I loved it. A little underpowered, but would go anywhere. I turned $100 into $600 and the little truck one day, so I had NO respect for it at all sheetmetal wise. I tried a few times to flip it, never successfully. Eventually I sold it for $1200. I always dreamed of putting 31" tires and a 4.3 liter chevy engine in a Samauri. Never got it done though. Jabba Oh that would be different! Would'nt it kinda look like the proverbial monkey mounting a football? ;D |
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Post by dakota on Sept 8, 2006 2:45:22 GMT -5
The image had me recall something I had not seen in years. Remember a kids toy when we were kids? A metal top made from stampings. The top had a pump sticking out the top. Pump it and the top would spin.
Course the Suski wouldn't have the pump, but everything else ....
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Post by jabba on Sept 8, 2006 6:16:24 GMT -5
I think the Sammy's look GREAT with 31" mud rubber on them. They look a lot like the old Stomper toy trucks. Now.,.. to pull the build off the right way, you need to install Dana axles so they'll take the 200+HP of the V-6 chevy engine, and lock the axles up. I have seen Sammy conversions with 350's in them, but you have to stretch those. The 4.3 engine will go in without that. Side note... I know a guy that put in a 350 in a foreign Sammy. Fired it up... top speed 35 MPH!. Turns out the base Sammy was a foreign two stroke model and had crazy low gearing to accomodate the 2 stroke engine RPM's. It was geared somewhere around 7:1. Boy... talk about a stump puller there though. We put it in low range and low gear and got out... you had to drive a stake next to it to even know it was moving!! hahaha LOL! Good memories there... thanks for that fellas. Jabba |
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BTW when the ATV can't make it you get out the horses. ;D ;D
