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Post by 340wby on Aug 30, 2005 17:10:13 GMT -5
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Post by klsm54 on Aug 30, 2005 20:27:04 GMT -5
It wouldn't do me any good as back here in the east. About all you are allowed to hunt, with a firearm, without a bunch of fluorescent orange on is ducks and doves...  I'm sure one would let you have game in real close proximity if you controlled your scent also, or used the wind to your advantage. |
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Post by 340wby on Aug 31, 2005 20:55:54 GMT -5
first thing Ill point out is I don,t wonder around looking like a moss covered BIGFOOT
but I do frequently backpack the ghillie suit into very remote locations after locating the game or varmits and finding thier most likely escape routes, useing topo maps and previous hunt info(I travel with the orange hat /vest) but once I find a choice location that commands a natural terrain funnel, like a narrow part of a canyon where I can place myself to control/deny movement thru the area with my rifle, the suit goes on and I can spend hours totally invisable to everyone and the game,while my partners silently still hunt thru a drainage from the far ends, (yeah we alternate )yes some guys love borrowing the suit others don,t think its an advantage (AT FIRST) but most guys buy or build one within a few years, as the results become obvious
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Post by 340wby on Sept 1, 2005 20:42:15 GMT -5
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Sept 2, 2005 10:36:15 GMT -5
I'm going to make this arguement. Perhaps part of it can be challenged.
Why would one need a ghillie suit for hunting big game animals - such as elk and deer? Let me say that with a rifle or muzzleloader one doesn't need to get extremely close (meaning inside of 20 yards). I understand things occasionally happen when you might get some does come in before your buck, but that's not the norm for them to get VERY close.
On the otherhand, this suit can not be worn when animals are meant to be very close ie archery hunting. There's too many things that can go wrong with a bow and ghillie suit.
So I'm from the frame of mind of "why bother"...
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Post by 340wby on Sept 2, 2005 11:14:13 GMT -5
I will agree that ARCHERY and a full ghillie suit make for potential problems (been there done that) none that can,t be overcome with some careful practice and adapting the suit to work without interfearance but yeah,ID fully agree that you don,t just jump into an UNADAPTED/MODIFIED ghillie suit and reasonably expect to shoot a bow without problems
but Ill also point out that most guys have absolutely NO IDEA as to the game they SPOOK or the game that spots them long before they spot the game while rifle hunting in standard clothes that they would get to see wearing a good GHILLIE SUIT
as an example
one that made me see the potential....
I have a spot I hunt frequently thats a sadle between two canyons,leading to a third, canyon thats wider and more open, the sadle or wide dip between two canyons (both have sheer cliffs over a great extent of thier walls for miles) is fairly open oak brush and grass, its miles from any road and for years we placed two guys (one on each canyon wall) to cover game exiting that canyon exit to the next drainage,we killed ELK and deer regularly but noticed some very nervious ELK/deer tuning back also without going thru, we were wearing camo, we were using odour blockers, washing clothes in odorless cleaner,ETC, remaing down wind and we were remaining motionless, ranges to the game averaged 150-300 yards
spotting 4-7 elk a day was comon,just for grins I built and used a GHILLIE SUIT and sat in the same area, 30-40 ELK a day were seen, now figuring it was not the suit, I reverted to normal camo,then back to the GHILLIE SUIT on several days over several years, lets just say the results were stageringly in favor of the suit, easily double to tripple the game was seen and ELK normally were shot at 120-200 yards not POINT BLANK!
results were so marked than several other guys I hunt with built thier own suits
like I stated
"I don,t wonder around looking like a moss covered BIGFOOT
but I do frequently backpack the ghillie suit into very remote locations after locating the game or varmits and finding thier most likely escape routes, useing topo maps and previous hunt info(I travel with the orange hat /vest) but once I find a choice location that commands a natural terrain funnel, like a narrow part of a canyon where I can place myself to control/deny movement thru the area with my rifle, the suit goes on and I can spend hours totally invisable to everyone and the game,while my partners silently still hunt thru a drainage from the far ends, (yeah we alternate )yes some guys love borrowing the suit others don,t think its an advantage (AT FIRST) but most guys buy or build one within a few years, as the results become obvious "
its a tool and a very effective one when you know how and when to use it!, yes its a P.I.T.A. to pack in,and out, but theres ZERO QUESTION IN MY EXPERIANCE that it helps tip the odds in my favor, now I don,t know where or how you hunt but chances at good legal 4 point or better ELK on public hunting areas are rare, one or two chances a season are much better odds with the suit than one or two chances every few years
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Post by 340wby on Sept 3, 2005 8:57:28 GMT -5
most camo is to dark , has little contrast and has patterns with far to small details in the pattern many have far too much BROWN and dark grey, lighter greys, greens and tans work better out west www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templa...&hasJS=truethe best camo pattern IVE seen AND TESTED is CABELAS SECLUESION CONIFER for the timber   and CABELAS OPEN COUNTRY for the sage the colors don,t look true,HERE in these exambles but the patterns acurate, both patterns work great in the correct back ground and it helps to add SNEAKY LEAFS www.turkeyhuntingsecrets.com/store/store-camo-3d-leaf.htm to further enhance and break up the outlines once the leafs are added you can remain almost invisable in the correct background with the matching camo if you remain still, not quite a GHILLIE SUIT but still very EFFECTIVE |
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Post by 340wby on Sept 4, 2005 12:35:26 GMT -5
good camo and its correct use VS the standard printed camo is like the differance between a good scope and quality receiver sights, both work but theres some disadvantages and a noticable advantage to the scope and ghillie suit, Id fully agree that the use and skills necessary are far from mandatory yet IVE seen a noticable improvement in both the number of game seen and the quality of game taken while using one and so have several of the guys I hunt with. yeah, its not for everyone,sure its extra effort, but its an option that DOES if used correctly increase your odds, as to the HOT! HOT!, that again depends on the construction, built on a light weight base, like a netting bug suit it can be light and cool www.shannonoutdoors.com/store/catalog/product_19_3D_Big_Leaf_Bug_Buster_Plus_Suit.htmlwww.bugtamer.com/economy.html |
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Post by 340wby on Sept 4, 2005 16:22:49 GMT -5
"Are you a camo salesman, or what?"
HELL NO! I WISH I WAS I MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME EXTRA MONEY.... I sure am a beleiver in well made and correctly used camo after testing a great deal of it and seeing the results!
now Im the first guy to admit you can hunt in blue jeans and a plaid shirt, with a iron sight 30/06 and have good results, lack of good camo will not prevent you from succeeding if your in a good area and your persistant, but like using a BI-POD,& range finder and a QUALITY SCOPE, and a sling on your rifle, its an accessory that helps increase your chances of success under some circumstances, and having that extra edge and knowing exactly when and where the equipment is best used does make a differance in the long run to your success
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Post by calsibley on Dec 15, 2005 20:36:01 GMT -5
I don't know a great deal about ghillie suits. My son has one from his USMC days, and he's awfully hard to pick out in the wooded areas I've seen him wear it. I was pretty impressed, but wonder if you wouldn't need several just like with other camo patterns. Once the leaves fall and a lot more brown is evident it seems the deep woodland pattern ghillie wouldn't be as effective. Just a thought. Best wishes.
Cal - Montreal
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Post by bounce on Dec 15, 2005 22:54:33 GMT -5
In your off seasion GHILLIE SUIT Cal you could wear it in style shoping at Cabala's & ect. Out do all the reg. camo customers!! And Bill would never spot you in the Library drulling saliva on their $20,000 + guns
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Post by Bill on Dec 15, 2005 23:39:09 GMT -5
I could just follow the drull trail Bounce. I'd pick him out sooner or later.  There are a lot of differant types and kinds of camo. IF you a really hardcore camo guy you match the camo to the terrain. Some camo at a distance will get dark and you can't tell its camo and some will get light and look like your wearing a white suit to a wedding. But IF your matching your camo to the terrain you won't have a problem. I also have become a beliver in a gillie suit and have seen first hand how it works with coyote hunting. Especially out in the grass lands and rolling hills. You can totally disapear in the high grass while watching a whole canyon for a coyote comming in. Plus if you work slow and carfull you can make it into a canyon unseen and if your calling coyotes its the only way to go. Here in Nebraska its illigal to use durring deer season as you must wear so many square inches of hunters orange and it must be visible. Ain't going to happen with a gillie suit. So I will stick to my use of one for calling preditors in. |
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