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Post by jimh on Mar 6, 2012 23:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by jimh on Mar 6, 2012 23:07:41 GMT -5
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Post by jimh on Mar 6, 2012 23:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Mar 6, 2012 23:13:45 GMT -5
30 caliber? I don't know of a CW long gun that was 30.
Double set triggers would be a puzzler, too - not a feature you'd find on a military firearm.
One thing I'm looking at is the lockplate area, to see if it was converted from a flintlock. Looks to me like it's not a conversion, that it was built as a caplock from the get go. That would date the rifle after about 1840. Twomoons might have a better date.
The buttstock has a rather 'Kentucky long rifle' type shape. The trigger guard is certainly not anything fancy. The powder horns and accessories would be more fitting with a civilian rifle, like maybe a trade musket?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 6, 2012 23:14:10 GMT -5
And there they are
I know what that is - it's called a "wall hanger"
It's pretty much what I thought it would look like - a Crockett style tenn mountain type of rifle.
What it is exactly, I don't know. I'm sure someone here can steer you in the right direction though.
It does not appear to be too fancy.
Pre-war maybe?
The condition does not look good
I'm going to take you don't want this rifle unless you're looking for a decor piece.
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Post by jimh on Mar 6, 2012 23:20:44 GMT -5
btw powder horn does have powder in it.
one of the boxes of caps is still sealed never opened. yes in the .30 cal neighborhood.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 6, 2012 23:27:48 GMT -5
Be interesting to see what the value of the unopened caps are.
Probably way more or way less than you think ;D
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Post by bounce on Mar 7, 2012 0:13:10 GMT -5
Percussion Sporting or Plains Rifle, value $200 to 300 depending on bore , The hunting bag & horn $50 tops
It is possible some reb did use it in the war if this could be athenticated for shure the price could jump to $1500 or so Athenicated reb guns are rare.
T/M's May indeed know much more as few liveing know more than he.
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Post by jmarriott on Mar 7, 2012 4:53:54 GMT -5
Could be what is called a small rifle. It sure looks like one. 3 to 5 foot barrel with THe cut down forearm and Kevtucky style butstock.
John Small was an Indiana gunsmith starting around 1805. I believe he made mostly 36 cal rifles with precussion caps. I believe that louis and clark had a small rifle on the trip to the west.
I have seen a few small rifles and they were inland in silver on the stock at the forearm cap. A few were real lookers. One looked like yours rather plain jane.
I see them in the evansville/vincennes area of indiana at the "rondevuos". Since that is close up river from st. louis it could be a small rifle.
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Post by jimh on Mar 7, 2012 7:12:13 GMT -5
I believe that louis and clark had a small rifle on the trip to the west. I know Lewis and Clark had an air gun with them. |
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Post by deputydon on Mar 7, 2012 7:52:36 GMT -5
I believe that louis and clark had a small rifle on the trip to the west. I know Lewis and Clark had an air gun with them. Bounce has an air gun too.... ;D ;D Or at least did have..... |
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Post by deputydon on Mar 7, 2012 7:59:36 GMT -5
Interesting!!! It looks to be roughly 1840ish........ How does the bore look @ the muzzle ? If it was used in the war it was most likely cause either A) the guys knew how it shot and what he could hit w/ it. Or most likely B) With the blockades, lack of money and supplies, ect it was all he could get his hands on to shoot!!!!! The trigger guard is crude and the lack of backplate interesting.... I'd love to see it in person.... Let me know what they want for it. I will say it's NOT a high dollar item.
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Post by jimh on Mar 7, 2012 8:28:13 GMT -5
Don the stock has a circle inscribed on it where a guy would have inletted a patch box. i'm wondering if this was a kit gun from the era and the guy did not have the cash to make it pretty. the forearm tip looks to be pewter. i'm still trying to figure out what the front site is made of. the but of the stock is dried out and the wood is checked from shrinkage. by the time you get up to the trigger area all the wood still has a smooth finish to it. i'm thinking all the oil from the hands in that area helped to keep the finish. but the last 1/4 of the stock is dry as a bone. i'll have some more pics, and i have the barrel length but can't recall but will post it later tonight. what about the set triggers? were they around then?
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Post by bounce on Mar 7, 2012 9:35:42 GMT -5
If some one says it was use in the Civil War is not enough, the family must be able to athenicate the fact. to get big money. Other wise bore condition is the only factor in priceing as a nice bore keeps it better than just a wall hanger. Yes the Triggers are corect for 1840
Someone just may be able to Identify the maker by that tigger gaurd? Take off the lock and you may find the lock makers name on the in side, maybe a date?
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Post by twomoons on Mar 7, 2012 9:41:04 GMT -5
Typical shop built OHIO style 1/2 stock rifle caliiber is poorbably 32 and will take a 310 balll and patching. The local gunsmith would buy parts from jobbers and buiild rifles to suit the customer. There were floating gun shops on the Ohiio and Mississippi rivers that did this kind of work. In addition most of the larger shoops, Hawken, Leman, Henry, ect had a cheaper line of rifles similar to this. Look up the Connestoga Rifle Works a low rent Leman.
Just from looking the rifle probably is pre civil war, say 1840-50 and was a small game or farmers gun. Hand made horn and bag are very colliictable and could go for as muuch as the rifle. The cap boxes should bring at least $20 each, but will greatly increase the price of the outfit if it is kept together with a letter from the family. I can't price the gun without loooking at it but if it is still shootable it will bring a bbetter price. BUT this is not a high quality collectible and it is NOT a Civil War rifle per se so it won't bring the bucks a Springfield or Enfield rifle brings.
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