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Post by Jack on Nov 14, 2008 17:47:48 GMT -5
Red, Red, Red.... I'll just say that Jim and Klsm are right, as usual, and leave it at that.
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Post by jmarriott on Dec 5, 2008 17:00:49 GMT -5
I think the only rounds that are not worth reloading is the .22 LR .22 s .22 l and .22 wmr and i guess the 17 hmr and 17 hm2.
I used to believe that the 7.63x39 was not worth reloading but then I had some reloaded for the mini-30 and cut my group size in half.
I don't reload myself at this time but i have a high school friend who is very scientific and he reloads for me at the moment. Next tax check i think the dillon 550 or 650 is on the purchase list as i can make the initial cost of the equipment back in one year jst selling .223\5.56 nato to the guy's at work for there ar-15 as a single trip to the range for them would be 500 rounds each. pop pop pop pop X 30 then change to next 30 round clip pop X30. They don't really even check the target.
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Post by jmarriott on Dec 5, 2008 17:06:23 GMT -5
Oh sorry the flex tip bullets are the cat's meow in leverguns.
I think the 44 mag with around 23.5 grains of little gun and the 225 flex tip would do over 1700 in my 16 inch marlin. should be better than the Levereveloution round from the factory, this year all i used was the old winchester white box 240 grains JSP's as they seem to group tighter than the leverev rounds. They used to be 17.00 a box of fifty on sale at EVIL OLD Wall-mart 3 years ago. Now they cost 32.00 a box.
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Post by dovehunter on Dec 7, 2008 10:20:40 GMT -5
At the risk of showing my ignorance, why would you need a Flex-Tip in .44 mag.? All the .44 mag. bullets I have ever seen are essentially flat or round nose anyway.
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Post by jimiowa on Dec 7, 2008 18:03:28 GMT -5
It will work in the tubular magazines of Winchester & Marlin Lever guns yet allows better downrange ballistics. In the tube you can't have spitzers setting off the primer on the rounds ahead in the tube, but the Flextips are soft enough to not do that.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 7, 2008 23:24:21 GMT -5
At the risk of showing my ignorance, why would you need a Flex-Tip in .44 mag.? All the .44 mag. bullets I have ever seen are essentially flat or round nose anyway. In a nut shell, it's made to make the 44mag a long range cartridge and it's really marketed for those states that allow shotgun/muzzleloader/pistol rounds only during deer season. Let's be sensible, if you think you're going to be shooting deer over 100 yards you're going to be using a 30-30 or a "bolt action cartridge" --- that is IF you are allowed. What's the max reasonable range on a flat/round 44mag? Maybe 125 yards This stuff is probably taking the 44mag out to 175 perhaps The only problem I see with extending the distance even farther is the fact that if the hunter doesn't see the deer react or fall down they often don't even bother to go over and look. That would be my concern - long range performance.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 7, 2008 23:51:58 GMT -5
I tell you what doesn't make sense
Hornady is loading this bullet in a 45lc --- safe in all guns. Why on earth would you buy this expensive factory ammo or expensive bullet when it goes 900 fps out of the barrel?
What a waste unless you were loading that baby hot
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Post by jimiowa on Dec 10, 2008 9:39:18 GMT -5
I would agree to a point Red! I think turning a .44 Mag or .45 long Colt into long range cartridges is trying to fix what ain't broke. Either are pretty puny compared to even a 30/30 or 35 Remington and don't generate a lot of energy. Though don't sell them short either those heavy slugs do the job when placed correctly!! And while the .45 Colt with a 250 grn bullet at 900 fps seems rather puny it's proved adequate for over 100 yrs and wwith proper handloads can push the .44 Mag and in many cases best it at lower pressures. While I've considered getting a .44 or .45 I still think they are at their best with heavy for caliber cast lead. My thinking on the .45 Flex for handguns is they are intended for the .454 Casull and simular Hand Cannons
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Post by Jack on Dec 10, 2008 10:04:04 GMT -5
I don't think flex tip bullets will turn a 44 magnum into a long range rifle. Compared strictly to rifle cartridges, the 44 magnum isn't a powerhouse- it's a short range cartridge. Now, if the flex tip bullets give a little more down range energy, and allow a little longer range before holdover is necessary, that's a plus, IMO.
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Post by dovehunter on Dec 10, 2008 11:55:17 GMT -5
You can put a professional jockey and an English racing saddle on mule and place the combo in the post with the other thoroughbreads. However, when the starting gun sounds, the mule is still just a mule. The moral to the story is you that you can only go so far towards making a mule into a racehorse.
As with the above, I see no practical advantage to using sharp nosed=bullets in a .44 mag or .45 Colt. However, whatever floats your boat.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Dec 10, 2008 17:41:45 GMT -5
As with the above, I see no practical advantage to using sharp nosed=bullets in a .44 mag or .45 Colt. However, whatever floats your boat. There may very well be a disadvantage. Perhaps not with the 44/45 because they are over 200gr (though I would want them a little heavier...which defeats the purpose). But those 357 rounds are I believe 140gr. I can see those things blowing up I don't know if they will or not, but that should be a red flag
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Post by jmarriott on Dec 10, 2008 19:35:25 GMT -5
My groups with the 240 grain Winchesters were better than the Leverev's But the leverev's hit the 50 yard target 3.5 inches higher than the winchesters. They should go about 150 yards before starting to tumble or doing that quick drop to the dirt. I think they wiukd be great bullets in the 44 mag but I have limited time and funds to test them at distance. I know what the white box winchesters will do at range.
That quick drop to the dirt is what the state of indiana wanted to do with using the pistol rounds for deer season.
Using a rifle is what a deer hunt is about not an 11 pound shotgun shooting 350 grain bullets at 1900 FPS. I already got a nice one of those in my 870. It is good untill 175 yards.
Most of my shots were under 75 yards this year and last year. I had a chance to shoot this year at over 200 with the .44 mag. I Did not take that shot as it was out of my effective range. That was the only good shooter buck I saw during legal shooting hours this year and I wish I had my 357 max rifle with me cause it will hit at 200.
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Post by jmarriott on Dec 10, 2008 19:38:18 GMT -5
Oh I forgot if you are going to use a marlin 1894 forget using bullets over 240 grain cause most of them won't stablize with a 1 in 38 twist.
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Post by jimiowa on Dec 10, 2008 22:09:54 GMT -5
Ya Know there is a place for those bullets in .44 & 45, and I can't believe I never thought of it before. The Contenders would handle it nicely!!
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Post by Jack on Dec 11, 2008 1:24:37 GMT -5
Jim, you have a very good point!
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