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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 12, 2008 15:19:29 GMT -5
I did a little bit of looking (as if I didn't have enough to research trying to get a home loan, trying to find a home, trying to get stuff ready for a turkey hunt, trying to create a website, and now trying to look at bear hunting...all while working). Maine and Ontario do not have a Spring season as best as I can tell. That would mean the best bet for a decent size animal at a reasonable distance from Ohio would be Quebec or Manitoba which are both in Canada. So extra paperwork would be involved. The best I can tell the cost when it's all said and done is going to be no less than $2000 USD
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Post by klsm54 on Nov 12, 2008 17:35:44 GMT -5
I did a little bit of looking (as if I didn't have enough to research trying to get a home loan, trying to find a home, trying to get stuff ready for a turkey hunt, trying to create a website, and now trying to look at bear hunting...all while working). Maine and Ontario do not have a Spring season as best as I can tell. That would mean the best bet for a decent size animal at a reasonable distance from Ohio would be Quebec or Manitoba which are both in Canada. So extra paperwork would be involved. The best I can tell the cost when it's all said and done is going to be no less than $2000 USD What you talking about, Red? You wouldn't have had to do any research if you had clicked on the links I provided. And... you would have seen that Maine indeed does have spring bear hunting. Were you drinking at lunch today...again?.... ;D ;D You may be correct about Ontario though. I remember the animal rights whack jobs petitioning to end bear hunting in Ontario. I think they got the spring bear hunts stopped. This was a few years back though and the guides and tourism industry was fighting back. Don't know what the current status is. I would think, given Sebastian's citizenship, that a stateside hunt would be more feasible.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 12, 2008 17:54:38 GMT -5
Actually I did but it was only 1 I could of swore the Maine game and fish website said august was the start of the season. Apparently not I agree, a US hunt would be best for everyone. I assume bear hide can be exorted and imported for Sebastian.
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Post by Bubba on Nov 12, 2008 18:10:27 GMT -5
Alaska's Griz permit is $500 Non-res & $650 Non-Res Alien, plus your $85 for a hunting license They are NOT over the counter permits. You have to be drawn by lottery for them. Where they get you is the average of $8000 for outfitter/guide services.
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Post by xphunter on Nov 12, 2008 23:32:33 GMT -5
I would like to show you too, that with a good shot placement a .308 is more than enough for a black/brown bear. This is honest, comes from my heart. Seb, If you hunt brown/grizzly, please use more gun than a 308 Winchester Black bear no problem.
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Post by sebastian on Nov 13, 2008 10:59:20 GMT -5
OK, E. I would use whatever gun the guide has, as long the gun is good. Although bigger bear is better, I only seek for experience thing, not really the trophy. Besides, I am not sure if I can import the trophy then..?? If that is possible, maybe even too expensive to my hand??
... Question for you all here: Which is more often in hunting bears...you first see the bear, or the bear first see you??? a. in relatively open terrain. b. in thick woods.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 13, 2008 11:11:48 GMT -5
If you're sitting in a treestand, you are most likely going to hear the bear walking into the bait site. My understanding is that right as they get into the opening they will look around and make sure a person is not there loading the bait. And then they come in focused on eating. So unless you do something stupid like move too fast, they won't even know you're there. And then if you spot and stalk bear, you try to find them first. You look at logged timber or open meadows where you see the bear first. Again, they are likely to be eating and not even know you're there. That's not to say you wouldn't accidently bump a bear in a "see eachother at the same time" situation. This is a quote from a PB Guideservice in Maine (a very respected guide from my understanding) www.pbguideservice.com/index.htmlMy goal is for everyone to shoot a bear. It doesn't matter if it's the 1st 5 minutes on Monday, or the last 5 minutes on Saturday, as long as you get your bear. Not everybody is going to shoot a 300 to 400lb. bear. Although we do get 12 to 14 over 300lb. per year. Most hunters would be happy with a respectable bear. I consider a respectable bear between 175 and 250lb. We weight every bear so you get a true weight instead of someone over-estimating by 100lb or more.
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Post by klsm54 on Nov 13, 2008 11:40:29 GMT -5
Bear have very poor eyesight, you are most likely going to see the bear first. They do have an extremely good sense of smell, their best defense.
If you hunt over bait, very common in Maine, you'll be in heavy cover and shots will be close.
If you spot and stalk, the terrain will be more open and shots may be longer.
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Post by sebastian on Nov 13, 2008 11:51:42 GMT -5
Can we "choose" the bear, for instance we have several days & see several bears during the hunt??
How if we're lucky & find a good/big one in day #1??
Are we talking about black bear, or brown bear here?
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 13, 2008 12:10:18 GMT -5
Black bear It's a crapshoot. If a bear walks in, you have to make a decision. Is this a big bear? You're by yourself, you've never seen a bear before, and you have to judge it. You could pass a 400 pounder because you thought it was too small or shoot a 100 pounder because you thought it was huge. How many more bears will I see Is it the first day? If I let him walk will he come in the next day where I can shoot him? Is this the only bear I'll see in a week? If I'm hunting for the experience, I would probably shoot the first bear I saw unless the guides were very confident that you'd see another bear during the week. Maybe not the 1st or second day but day 3 and 4 I'm blasting before it's too late. Afterall, if you pass up a bear you can always shoot the next one because it can't be much smaller. But will you see another? Most of the hunts are 80% success and I guess that those that don't kill either had it rain the whole time or they got greedy. A hunt in Maine is NOT a trophy hunt. If you want a true big blackbear there are other places a lot more expensive and a lot farther away. It's a good place to go for a first time experience and maybe you get lucky.
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Post by sebastian on Nov 13, 2008 13:20:39 GMT -5
Black bear It's a crapshoot. If a bear walks in, you have to make a decision. What is "crapshoot", btw? can't find it in my dictionary. Hey Red, do you think I am that dumb? ;D Yes, I've never seen a black bear or brown bear in the field/hunting. At least, I have seen many bears (either black or brown bears, imported) in several zoos that I visit. We also have local bear in Indonesia (Sumatera island), but they are small and not legal to hunt. Translate to English, we call them "honey bear", because they like honey's bee. I learned the "PB" a moment ago, but seems to me that they only offering treestand hunting(?). I would not be interested with treestand hunting for bear because it seems too easy for me, looking from the videos. I would like to spot & stalk if possible. .......... Anyway Red, before we are talking further about the bear hunting in the next future, are you serious/can confirm with the hunt? My decision will depend on your confirmation. As I said earlier, I would like to bear hunting with one or two of you in this forum.
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Post by Jack on Nov 13, 2008 13:36:12 GMT -5
crapshoot= a gamble, you take your chances There are a couple ways I judge the size of black bears. First, if they look 'lanky', kind of long legged, they're a young, small bear. Look at a black bear's ears. If the ears look small and don't stick out much, it's a big bear. A small bear's ears look larger compared to the size of his head. Seb, there is some spot and stalk hunting for black bears done in Oregon and Washington (northwestern US). I believe most of that is done in recent clear cuts (areas recently logged), and I think it's done in the spring. In the eastern US, the woods where you find bears is too thick for spot and stalk type hunting. In the east, a lot of black bears that are taken are taken by deer hunters that happen to see a bear, or by the tree stand/bait method that Red mentioned. Baiting is legal in Maine, and in Ontario Canada. A number of US states do not allow baiting.
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Post by sebastian on Nov 13, 2008 14:03:10 GMT -5
Thanks, Jack.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Nov 13, 2008 15:45:59 GMT -5
Hey Red, do you think I am that dumb? ;D Yes, I've never seen a black bear or brown bear in the field/hunting. At least, I have seen many bears (either black or brown bears, imported) in several zoos that I visit. We also have local bear in Indonesia (Sumatera island), but they are small and not legal to hunt. Translate to English, we call them "honey bear", because they like honey's bee. I was talking about me ;D I just looked into it even more and looks like the cost is going to be too high for me. Only Idaho, Alaska, and Maine offer hunts when you would be here (what happened to all the spring hunts? geez). As far as Maine goes, Maine has not had a spring season in 25 years (see scott I'm not crazy or drunk). There is an indian tribe that allows hunting in the Spring though so I guess we're both right. However because of the special season, bear hunts are very very high in Maine in the Spring...because they can... Spring hunts in Maine are not a good value and they don't work for the type of hunt you wish to go on anyway. I just can't do an Idaho or Alaska hunt. The hunt, tags, airfare, etc are going to push the hunt to $4000-5000USD per person. That is a lot of money. Unfortunatly hunting in May is very limited I know a month or so ago we were talking about hog hunting and you showed interest in it. That is a year round hunt where you can do spot and stalk. With temperatures a bit warmer and things greening up, it should be a good challenging hunt that still has high success. Those hunts don't book that far in advance and a booking next year at this time would be about right. If it's down in Oklahoma or Texas we could stop on the way for a few hours of rainbow trout fishing. I think we could probably get another member or two to go. Is that something that might work for you?
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Post by klsm54 on Nov 13, 2008 18:32:02 GMT -5
Okay, I did some checking. The guy I know has hunted Spring bear in Maine, but the last couple years they have gone to New Brunswick, not far from the Maine border. He says it is quite a bit cheaper, and basically the same drive, maybe 100 miles further. But, there is that crossing into Canada thing....
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