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Post by jimiowa on Mar 15, 2007 22:48:51 GMT -5
Nice Shooting Seb!! Actually if you can find a good solid rest to shoot from. I would not consider that 300 Mag a bad choice for PD from 500-1500 yds at all. Many of the top 1000 yd shooters in this country are using wildcat variations on the 300 Win case.
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Post by jimiowa on Mar 15, 2007 22:53:30 GMT -5
Jim, Next time you see Gordy, please tell him "Hi" from Ernie. Gordy is a good man that I enjoy being around. Of course, he is also a good smith and shooter. Will Do Ernie! Am about due to drop down there. Have a weeks vaction next week. Depends on how changing out the transmition in Jo-Jo's Caravan goes as whether I get there next week? |
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Post by sebastian on Mar 16, 2007 1:16:09 GMT -5
One of the reason why many long range BR shooters use big caliber is because they could see bullet's hole on paper easier. The felt recoil also very minimal due to the weight of the rifle....I shot that rifle (all day long) without any pain in my shoulder...just as like shooting a 6ppc LV rifle or so. I will shoot for 1k match or longer, someday... Ernie, can you please re-send me with your pics showing your set up, for my reference? I think I lost your email/pics & need to know what should I do (modify) on the rest... Oh btw, I have an official US dealer for my products now. He is (ex) my Mentor at the WBC8, Paul Schmid in Ohio. I just sent him plenty of rests/bags etc, yesterday. It's a pity really that I won't be able to go for the SuperShoot 2007 this May...I must keep some $$$$ to buy my own gears, as this become my priority at this time...It should be much better for me to use my own gear, rather than to borrow etc!...(I plan to buy or order a barreled action, for a LV rifle, and will store it at Kelbly in Ohio. I think a RBLP Panda & one or two 1:14 Krieger barrel, chambered in 6ppc, .262 or .265 neck. Also for the reloading gears, etc). ............... However question to all: Anyone here knows what should you do when you make your own/custom action or rifle in the USA??....What paperworks needed...registration thing, etc etc??? To my understanding, there are many peoples that build their own custom action/rifle in the US etc (instead of the rifle/custom action manufacturers). I hope you can understand with my english....for instance, you (as a US citizen) make your own action (or a barreled action) over there in the US....what things you need to prepare, or register, etc so that your action/rifle is legal (not against the law)  Thanks in advance, seb. |
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Post by xphunter on Mar 16, 2007 2:00:30 GMT -5
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Post by sebastian on Mar 16, 2007 5:03:19 GMT -5
Ernie, to my eyes your set up (& rest) is good already.
To be frankly to you, I am not so sure if you can use my front rest for a center grip handgun... (because the joystick should be too close, or would interfere with your trigger hand...even if I bend the joystick more than normal...also if you can put the rear bag so close to the rear part of the base of my rest?).
I must modify the joystick, and probably the coaxial mechanism, to make it work for your set up...and it would be difficult & takes time, I believe...
(This is my consideration, after I have a look more detail to your pics)....But I might be wrong....which one are you in the pics, btw? the man in the first/top pic?
Other question:
Looking at the second photo, I notice that the "eye relief" of the scope should be about 14" long, or a bit more....was that "ready to shoot" position? or just a photo "in action?".....I notice the scope is a Leo, & never know that Leupold has a scope with eye relief that long?..my ignorance should be? (maybe it's a handgun scope in big power?)...this is also important for me to determine the best/comfort position for the front rest configuration, if I do really make a custom rest for you later.
However, just a thought:...would it be better for you to have a rear rest system that can slide (only to the back & forward), and a small & "squeezable" rear bag on it???..I mean rather than to use a coaxial rest like mine...
I might be wrong (again), it's just a thought...you could probably squeese the rear bag to be able to make side & elev adjustments at one time with this method (especially if the bag can be squeezed easily & can make considerably much adjustments).....just as similar way as shown in the the first & third photo (which the trigger hand holds the grip of the handgun & the other hand holds the rear bag)...ONLY with a sliding & adjustable rear base....this would probably be easier (& less expensive) to make, rather than modifiying the seb rest.
You can also connect/bolt the rear rest to the front rest base, I think (adjustable for the length/distance & height).
But you are the expert, not me.
Well, instead you would only use one hand & the other hand for joystick...?
Your thought??
Btw, what base & rings do you use on the rear grip handgun?
Can you help me to take some CLOSE UP pics on them for my reference?...I really interested to know the detail of that base/rings...how the "dial knob" works, & how the front & rear ring hold/secure the tube of the scope!!!
Thanks...seb.
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Post by sebastian on Mar 16, 2007 5:10:47 GMT -5
Ernie, please be advised that I explain about my rest etc because I still not sure if my rest can serve your shooting style very well....not because I "hate" to make a custom one, or so...
I better to let you know the (possibly) problems, rather than accept your order without exactly sure that my rest will work or not. I am not a man that would "accept all order" to make money etc....JUST IF I'm sure that my product will satisfy my customer.
I hope you understand with what I mean...Thanks, seb.
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Post by Bill on Mar 16, 2007 8:38:26 GMT -5
Sebastian, Earnie is the one in the first photo and the one in the last photo.  I also see what you mean about your coaxial joystick being in the way of the grip on a center grip handgun Sebastian. I myself don't know how a person can run the stick and hold the gun at the same time unless once the rest is moved with the joy stick it stays where you put it.  I see now how you guys understand what I was crying about when I said its spendy shooting a hairy little critter at 1500 yds. Now as far as a 50 lb gun to shoot 1500 plus yards I can see that Earnie's gun really comes close to that ;D ;D Better start feeding that gun a high protein diet Earnie. Its a bit on the enimic side. And here I feel bad about shooting a gun that weigh's 10.5 lbs bare bones. It will do it. The only thing thats a determining factor right now is if I can do it.  Its going to take a lot of trigger time to get there. I know that already and have been doing as much of it as I can. I still have a ways to go though and some equipment changes.  Earnie, what kind of rings are on that scope I have never seen them before. They look to adjustable for MOA. If so whats the max adjustment and does it have marks for differant adjustments thats predictable. |
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Post by sebastian on Mar 16, 2007 9:39:09 GMT -5
Sebastian, Earnie is the one in the first photo and the one in the last photo. Thanks! ;D My rest top can accept weight up to 15 lbs, or more, & remains stationary during recoil, btw. No problem at all on this one....the only "problem" perhaps that Ernie holds the handgun with two hands...so he must adjust the joystick first, then make a shot with two hands on the grip...so maybe (just maybe) too late to compensate the wind/condition changes??....then I suspect that a coaxial rest wouldn't be a help at all.. That's why I said, "instead he would only hold the gun with one hand & the other hand for the joystick" |
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Post by xphunter on Mar 16, 2007 12:41:05 GMT -5
Okay, A time for a little explaining. David was using a two hold grip on the rear grip XP was just doing some looking through the scope when I took the picture.
I do all of my shooting one-handed and run the bag or the front rest (depending on the set-up with my other hand whether center-grip or rear.
The mount setup on the rear grip is a SLR mount by Elmer Laitala. It has 100 MOA of adjustment. I had a long time borrow on this and I just last week sent mine back to Elmer. You can get it for 1" tubes or 30mm. They are quite expensive but they work nice. Elmer is a super guy.
Richard Mertz has a protoype out for a LR mount and I have it on my MOA Maximum (single-shot falling block action specialty handgun). He is already upgrading from the one I have and it will have 60 MOA of adj in 5 MOA increments. He plans to make them fit XP's and his own MOA.
Even if he would make one for the hole pattern of your action, I am convinced it would still be alot cheaper (less weight/lower profile) than one of the SLR mounts.
On my green Hart rest I am still not satisfied with my rear rest-What specifc solutions do you have for that Seb (anyone)?
My H-S centergrip stocks have a not quite flat grip base (mooned out), while my McMillan centergrip stock has a small flat pistol grip.
On the rear grip XP the scope started life as a 36x Leupold and was converted by Wally Seibert into a 20 X Long Eye Relief with a custom multi-dot reticle by TK Lee. The other scope is a Leupold Mark 4 8.5-25 LR/T with M1 knobs. Since the 20x LER is long eye releif I can be far away and see a full FOV, but with the 8.5-25 I have to back off and see a partial field of view on 25X (one of the challenges of shooting SP's).
With my centergrip stocks I can use the Hart Accuracy Assest, which is a flat piece of aluminum which is secured with using a screw in place of the sling swivel stud and it has some side wings which are on each side of the forend to help it stay secure. It turns a sporter forend into a smooth bench forend quickly.
The SLR web site is down as business has been slow. Elmer's mount was used to take the longest PD on record with a rifle (just under two miles)-If I remember right it was Kregg Slack of Pueblo, CO. My hunting buddy, Steve Hugel did the articles on them for Precision SHooting mag and it's sister magazines. It also made it into the book the put out on 1,000 yard shooting.
2k+ is my goal for PD's now and I also have a 1k+ coyote goal using the specialty handguns. The pd's will be shot off of the bench while I will be prone with a bipod for the coyote. I almost got a coyote past 1k when we had some down time after elk hunting this past fall-missed him by a matter of inches, but it was still a miss just the same.
The rear grip is a 6.5-284 and the center-grip is a 6mm-284.
I will be using the 7mm Dakota center-grip and a beltless 7mm Rem Mag Improved rear grip MOA Maximum also for my PD goals.
If I missed any questions let me know.
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Post by xphunter on Mar 16, 2007 14:00:55 GMT -5
 I will try to find some better pics of the SLR mount. |
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Post by xphunter on Mar 16, 2007 14:16:05 GMT -5
Seb,
I am going to put my next pics for you on a seperate thread.
Titled "Pics for Seb"
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Post by Bill on Mar 21, 2007 7:45:50 GMT -5
Dang but this project is dragging out with the .25-06 AI. So instead I started working on the .300 RUM. After looking at the price of the Nosler brass and looking at the price of the Remington brass I decided on new Remington. First thing I did when I got it was check the cases for neck thickness and threw out the ones that was bad. I found one out of 100 cases. Then I started weighing them. I allowed 1 grain of differance. This lost another 16 for those that were too heavy or too light. Then I started checking the primer pocket and flash holes. By the time I got done for about $10 differance I ended up with 80 cases that made the grade out of 100. Those that didn't make it will be marked and used for fouling shots and starting cases for getting it on paper. Those that made the grade will be culled once again and I will try to pick 50 that are closest to weight etc. Those will be used for my most accurate loads.  (Just doing what the big guys in the accuracy dept are doing) Once the gun is sighted in I will start load development. So far things are comming together but grrrrrrrrrr. I have to wait till the new muzzlebreak gets installed before I can go much further. |
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Post by xphunter on Mar 21, 2007 13:54:46 GMT -5
Whose MB?
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Post by jimh on Mar 21, 2007 18:41:22 GMT -5
man, i am impressed with what all you guys have done. not the shooting, but being able to keep out of a divorce after spending the kind of money that it takes. ok , i am very impressed with the shooting but i'm still trying to figure out how you stay out of trouble.
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Post by Purebred Redneck on Mar 21, 2007 20:04:00 GMT -5
I've very impressed too.
I know of a few people who weren't so lucky...or maybe they were lucky ;D
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Its going to take a lot of trigger time to get there. I know that already and have been doing as much of it as I can. I still have a ways to go though and some equipment changes. 
