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Post by jimiowa on Feb 12, 2008 13:47:44 GMT -5
The local club shoots both rifle and pistol at the monthly shoots.
I need a target pistol, Have been looking at the Pedersoli "Charles Moore" Dueling Pistol. as well as their Continental Dueler. I also looked at the Mortimer and am not sure I like the looks of it's stock and sure don't want to pay the $1200+.
With an 11" barrel it should do fine to 25yds.
Mind you I have no intention of paying over $500 for one!
I'll study the subject and then build my own. Probably .45 cal so I can use the same balls in rifle and pistol.
I have not seen one of these except in pictures and was wondering if any of you had and could comment on it.
Questions coming to mind are the size of the barrel across the flats. and balance etc?
With the rifle due to be completed in the next month or so I'll need anothe project.
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Post by klsm54 on Feb 12, 2008 14:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by bounce on Feb 12, 2008 14:54:42 GMT -5
This reminds me I have yet to try out my H&A pistol yet that I got from T?M's last fall. Looks like the one in the picture.
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Post by bounce on Feb 12, 2008 15:04:23 GMT -5
jimiowa T/M's has made a lot of pistoles from barrel cut off's, If you can find one that the twist & cal. would sute you? I think you could make one to your likeing pretty cheap. But I do think the work that goes in one is more than one may think.
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Post by jimiowa on Feb 12, 2008 15:06:03 GMT -5
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Post by klsm54 on Feb 12, 2008 15:32:03 GMT -5
I think you're right Jim. I didn't notice that. I'll bet they would do a 1-66" twist for very little more $$$ as they make the rifles for round balls.
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Post by jimiowa on Feb 12, 2008 19:05:08 GMT -5
To tell the truth Scott, I have not completely wrapped my head around this proper twist concept for pistols. While 1-66 is dead on the money in a .45 rifle, it must be too slow for a pistol for optimum performance. Green Mountain lists it's .45 pistol barrel at 1-20, Pedrosili lists theirs at 1-18 and Ed Rayle lists his at 1-25.
Guessing that's pretty close. The underhammer does not specify twist, but a .45 ball is just over 100 grn and I can't imagine the same twist that stabilizes a 200 grn + conical would be optimum for a round ball pistol.
Still a lot to think about here.
Bounce your right there is bound to be a lot of time in making a pistol! Process is the same as a rifle, the parts are just smaller.
BTW the one in the center picture is the one I'm leaning towards.
I have this twisted facination with Dueling Pistols. Hope one day to make a matched cased pair.
Could be that Rambo thing Red's always talking about? ;D
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Post by deputydon on Feb 12, 2008 20:12:01 GMT -5
I had a set of dueling pistols once. Very beauiful but alass 2M's traded me out of them!!!
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Post by twomoons on Feb 13, 2008 9:27:31 GMT -5
Twist is a product of both ball diameter and weight and the intended velocity. So a 45 caliber ball from a rifle that travles at 1800 fps takes less twist to stabalise than the same ball from a barrel at 750 fps. In general practice a 45 cal ball at 750 should stabalize best with a twist of between 1-20 to 1-16. If Ii use a cut off barrel it is generaly for a hunting style pistol designed for hevier loads. The same ball that shoots best at 750 fps will stabalize pretty well in a 1-48 if you shoot it at say 1000 fps. The main thinng in target shooting is you want as litle recoil as possible to minimize fatigue. The best target pistol I ever made was a rebareled Allen and Thurber Target pistol in 32 caliber. No recoil and it would shoot under 1" at 25 yards from a rest. With the finger rest and the trigger set at 2 pounds it won the Nebraska State Championship 3 times in different hands. The Hopkins and Allen thet Bounce has is deadly accurate, but needs grips to fit the individual as the trigger guard is the main spring and if your finger rests on it it will throw you off offhand. The Le Page is a good gun and I had one tuned that would chalange the Thurber ever now and again. The Dueling style pistols have set triggeres and I do not like them for target work as they seem to squirm in the grip at let off. The nice thing about the pistols is that parts are cheap and you can cut your own stock from a plank and shape it to your own hand pretty easy.
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Post by jimiowa on Feb 13, 2008 10:11:48 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining that Two Moons! I had some idea that was how it worked, but had not quite put it all into perspective.
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Post by bounce on Feb 13, 2008 13:55:34 GMT -5
T/M's you forgot to tell me when I bought it that you would have to make a new grip for it!!!!
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Post by twomoons on Feb 13, 2008 14:57:55 GMT -5
You might not have to, but I would, can, and have a nice curly maple blank roughed out. This would be a good carving project for you while we wait 6 weeks for spring.
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Post by bounce on Feb 13, 2008 17:55:27 GMT -5
Never thought of it my self as never shot it yet, but to hold it with out touching the spring is difficult and needs enough linth for the little fingure to grip.
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