easiest to use muzzleloader

[kragman71]

Hello
I have a traditional muzzleloader,but I would like to latch onto a modern one to use in a local State Forest that does not allow cartridge rifles or pistols.
This will be strictly for hunting deer at short range.
I would like to know your favorite,and why.
Thanks
Frank

[Purebred Redneck]

I don't like doing this, but here's the trick to an inline

You need to get the cheapest breakopen action gun (like a single shot shotgun) with a shotgun primer that you can get.
They all shoot the same, the all work the same, they are all as water resistant as the next one (in that same action).

The bolt actions style are alright but they aren't going to be as water resistant because most of them the #11 is exposed.

Traditions and CVA both have cheap guns that most would recommend.
I think the New England / HR is a good gun but they use a rubber primer holder that may be hard to find if the gun gets discontinued and the ramrod is not very good.
It all depends on the looks - and of course don't do a mail order because quality control is piss poor.

[Jack]

Frank, is there something wrong with your traditional ML?
I am no in line expert (don't like em), but, have you looked at the Thompson Center? They make a muzzle loading barrel for their single shot. That might let you get into different caliber barrels for the T/C, if you're so inclined.

[Purebred Redneck]

You better have the encore first or else you'll be paying 5 or 6 hundred dollars for a muzzleloader.

you want to use iron sights or a scope?

[kragman71]

Thanks,ALL
There's nothing wrong with my Traditional;I'm the one that has deterioted.I have'nt even shot it on the range in the last several years.I believe that only guns engineered before the 20th Century should be used in the speccial season,but it's legal here in New York,so I am seriosly looking into taking advantage of it. Thompson Center is a great gun;but out of my budget.
I intend to mount an optical sight on it. I have a Bushnell Halosite and a Merrit Red Dot. Whichever looks best.
Frank

[srwshooter]

my new thompson triumph is the easiest to load and clean that i've ever seen . you can remove the breech plug by hand and never have to remove the barrel or scope to clean it.

[Purebred Redneck]

I think all of the breakopen guns work that that way now.

I'm just not sold on using solvent patches to clean muzzleloaders. Then again, I don't shoot inlines where you can actually see through the barrel to make sure it's clean.

The solvenats method is the fast way I know of to ruin a sidelock (aside from not cleaning it at all)

Then again, I'm not sold quite yet on detachable mounts either.

[dagriz]

I have traditional flintlocks and percussion cap rifles. I also have a 50cal black Powder barrel for my Encore. I have to say that the Encore system for Black Powder is really easy to use and exceptional accurate. Loading it is real simple useing the 50gr pellets. I don't believe in solvent patches to clean a BP barrel either. I like being able to remove the barrel in less than 30seconds, unscrew the breech plug and cleaning with superhot water and Dawn dish soap.

There are others that are similar to the TC barrel. I think most are fairly good. Some are more accurate than others. Some are real expensive and some are reasonable. The choice is up to the buyer. Depends on what you are looking to spend. BP inlines are like everything else, you pretty much get what you pay for. The higher the cost normally the better the quality.

[Purebred Redneck]

dagriz said:

I like being able to remove the barrel in less than 30seconds, unscrew the breech plug and cleaning with superhot water and Dawn dish soap.

Ah, there we go. That's better.

You threw me off with the 'keeping the scope on' part.

[kragman71]

I got a CVA Wolf(cheapest of the cheap),and I like it.The sights were chintzy.I put a Bushnell Holosight on it.
I fired it just to get aquainted with it;not to test it.I'll have to wait for better weather to do that.
Frank

[Purebred Redneck]

You get it cleaned up ok Krag?

[kragman71]

PBR
No problem.I spent about an hour the first time,but only about 15 minutes the second time.Knowing what to do really helps,and I did'nt remove the stocks the second time.
Frank

[Purebred Redneck]

You're doing good.

It still takes me an hour.

[deputydon]

dagriz said:

I have traditional flintlocks and percussion cap rifles. . Depends on what you are looking to spend. BP inlines are like everything else, you pretty much get what you pay for. The higher the cost normally the better the quality.

Gald to have another Traditionalist on here!!! We tend to give the inliners alot of crap, but in this day and age I know we have to all get along and stand together!!!!! But I still like to give the inliners crap!!!!!

[kragman71]

Fired the Wolf the third time and completely disassembled it as the manual directed.Spent 40 minutes.I soak the breech plug in that Blaster solution.Ispend a lot of time cleaning it.Would a CO 2 spray be a good idea to clean it?
Frank